Rr07

[p m]

Re: RR07

Yeah, if he had a beer before I'm sure he would have been more at ease and slowed down.

I had the same thought when I saw him roll. One beer could have made him a bit more relaxed - he's done a few "twitchy" moves before it happened.

Greg and Kevin - one beer may not have made him a better driver. It could've made him a slightly different driver, which could've helped.

 

[JamesWyatt]

yeah, imagine if he had had a beer?

Beer has no place on the trail. Beer has no business being in you on the trail, I don't care if someone's 350 pounds and just had one - stay the fuck away from me. There's no good reason to have a beer at lunch on the trail. There are 364 other days to have one at lunch and kill someone on the highway instead.

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Ho, what the hell did you do to your rear diff? Did the axle break and take the diff with it? I sure wish there were articles for your trips or even some captions on a few photos.

http://www.expeditionexchange.com/mission07/P1010069.JPG
http://www.expeditionexchange.com/mission07/P1010103.JPG

 

[peter sherman]

Ho is that the new Barbie line from Filson?LOL:rofl:

 

[JohnK]

nothing to do with tires. It is a tippy spot, but not that bad.

Perhaps he deliberately tipped it to provoke a fight with his significant other so that they could later have 'make-up' sex.

Those look like street tires. It seems like the grip of the tread and the stiffness of the sidewall could play a role.

 

[GregH]

Re: RR07

I had the same thought when I saw him roll. One beer could have made him a bit more relaxed - he's done a few "twitchy" moves before it happened.

Greg and Kevin - one beer may not have made him a better driver. It could've made him a slightly different driver, which could've helped.

I don't believe that.

 

[kellymoe]

That's it!! I've had enough. I'm suing the Interweb for stealing the last seven days of my life.

 

[Montana]

Everyone seems stuck on the "one thing" that resulted in this Classic on it's side. There are a number of factors that caused this to happen. "Could have been" soft springs, tire pressure, sidewall strength, etc. The bottom line is that is was as Ho stated, the "wrong line" chosen with the possible aforementioned factors. Beer would not have helped before...but most certainly after.

 

[p m]

Those look like street tires. It seems like the grip of the tread and the stiffness of the sidewall could play a role.

It could, but it didn't. He didn't have any traction problems in this spot. Just placed his left tires on rocks, right in the trough, and drove a bit too fast.

I stood ten feet away from this truck when this happened, so take it for whatever it's worth.

 

[nosivad_bor]

id say there is a chance being drunk or even having a beer might have resulted in a different line therefore possibly not a rollover, yes, I believe the possibility exists.

rd

 

[Nomar]

I think beer woulda helped....



















get through this miserable thread!

 

[bovw]

:applause:


AMEN to that! Or scotch.

 

[JamesWyatt]

id say there is a chance being drunk or even having a beer might have resulted in a different line therefore possibly not a rollover, yes, I believe the possibility exists.

rd

Sure, he could have driven over the spotter's foot.

Maybe you should write an article for LRM entitled, "ONE FOR THE TRAIL. A look into the positive benefits of alcohol consumption on and off road." The first sentence could start, "I've noticed a lot of tense drivers on the trail these days. You know, tense as in sober."

 

[jimjet]

Sure, he could have driven over the spotter's foot.

Maybe you should write an article for LRM entitled, "ONE FOR THE TRAIL. A look into the positive benefits of alcohol consumption on and off road." The first sentence could start, "I've noticed a lot of tense drivers on the trail these days. You know, tense as in sober."

Jimmy
I call :bs:

Unless your total non drinker your whole life, i find it hard to believe you or other Rightous individuals here have never had a single drink and gotten behind the wheel on or off the road.
If you partake in Alcoholic beverages you have had just one and hit the road or trail sometime in your life .

 

[Ron L]

Was a bad line, combined with several irritating cycle riders trying to ascend the slide. One of them was brave enough to ascend while Mike Jacobs was making a descent. Mike hit the brakes to avoid the guy and slammed on his rear quarter.

If you look closely at that image it will give you a good Idea of how many spotters there were. Too many cooks in the kitchen. I was dick that day and told all of them to shut up (was not as polite). I asked 1 trusted co-wheeler to be my eyes.

And John... you hit the dirt on your way to see the result of that tip over. I was right behind you... and you my friend "had more than a few":victory:

Those were the days when RR was fun, the memories are all clear to me. The camp ground was screwed, not enough room, I think there were no fires permitted and unexpected showers. No one complained. I won a set of wheels and some other junk from the raffle that day and still have the certificate for the wheels (don't ask).

 

[JamesWyatt]

Jimmy
I call :bs:

Unless your total non drinker your whole life, i find it hard to believe you or other Rightous individuals here have never had a single drink and gotten behind the wheel on or off the road.
If you partake in Alcoholic beverages you have had just one and hit the road or trail sometime in your life .

There's nothing righteous about not drinking on the trail. It's just common sense. I just don't want to see anyone get their fingers ground up in a winch because they wanted to "take the edge off" at lunch. I think the idea that having a beer makes one a better driver is ridiculous. It's the kind of thing alcoholics say.

 

[p m]

James, I don't know if you and others realize that, but the adrenaline rush during a vehicle recovery changes people's behavior a lot more than small amount of alcohol.

At our trail run, I've seen one absolutely sober person throw a 20-lb rock nearly into the head of another absolutely sober person. Just because both were in a hurry - which was absolutely unneeded, but was a perception of a "heat of the moment."

I have not seen a single vehicle recovery situation where nobody made a careless move - which that person would not have done should he or she pause to think about it for a millisecond or two. I am talking about a sort of careless move that happens every day - you pass too close to a vehicle, and then make a mental remark to be careful about it next time.

In some sense, off-road driving in more than graded-dirt-road conditions _is_ driving under influence, except for there's nobody to pull a person aside and verify if he/she's still reasonable.

It hurts me badly to agree with Badfysh in anything, but I do find these no-alcohol comments "righteous" without much merit. Especially coming from people who are (hopefully) trained in human behavior under stress.

 

[jimjet]

James, I don't know if you and others realize that, but the adrenaline rush during a vehicle recovery changes people's behavior a lot more than small amount of alcohol.(QUOTE]

:applause:

Adrenaline Rush = PANICK ATTACK in the wrong situation.

ive seen people run around like headless chickens with total loss of common control and common sense.Stuck in the sand below the High Tide Line (where they never should have went in the first place) all there panicked vision sees is a brand new sumerged H2.

 

[kellymoe]

James, I don't know if you and others realize that, but the adrenaline rush during a vehicle recovery changes people's behavior a lot more than small amount of alcohol.(QUOTE]

:applause:

Adrenaline Rush = PANICK ATTACK in the wrong situation.

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Not true. An adrenaline rush does not equal a panic attack. I've been a firefighter paramedic in Los Angeles for almost 20 years and have seen just about everything imaginable. I still get an adrenaline rush when going to a big fire. That's a good thing. It elevates my senses. When I get that fire at 3am, I want that adrenaline rush to heighten my senses so I dont fall through a roof or step on that downed high voltage line. The same holds true during stressful situations while wheeling. I want to make sure that shackle is tight and anticipate the direction of the pull and what might happen. Adrenaline is good. If you harness it correctly.

 

[peter sherman]

kmoe he be talken bout the drink I think

 

[JamesWyatt]

Saying that alcohol makes you a better driver is pathetic. A feeling of better control is a classic symptom of intoxication and when used to defend drinking and driving, it's at worst a symptom of alcoholism, and at best a rationalization of bad behavior. You can't compare the adrenaline rush - you're rationalizing. Just because there are sober morons on the trail does not make your vice acceptable.

I still am shocked that people not only think it's OK to down a beer on the trail, they actually think it makes for better drivers. Insanity!