Rr07

[Badfysh]

Joe - what was the original reason you posted? You've unloaded a lot of shit on me for a reason I cannot comprehend, and I suspect you've been piling up that load for quite some time. Now, about newbies, beginners, etc. Why should there be a reason to treat them any differently? If somebody has a piece of shit truck, why not to say it - especially, if you can argue for your point of view. This way, when Kyle was on board (even before DW), and John had more desire to pitch in, a lot of mosconceptions was cleared in a hurry (including a lot of mine). I didn't know anything about Nathan Woods until Jack's post; Jack and John have been right about people many more times than me. Nathan's use of "stewardship that was imparted upon us" phrase have him set im my mind for good.

The original reason i posted was I have seen many posts where Jack just rips into people. I mean come on. We are all rover owners and personal opinions, character, etc aside, is there any reason to just hammer a kid into the ground because you dont like the way his truck looks. I have also seen where that behavior is supported and it seems by many of the same people. I may have incorrectly targeted you in some but I do remember some posts weher we simply disagree but somehow that makes me an idiot or whatever. I understand this thread has gotten way out of control, myself as a contributor, and now many factors intertwined so in thread posts, whether typing or reading, its hard to get the right message across or infer tone etc.

Another issue, why bitch and complain about these evtns that are put on by clubs that you so adamnatly do not want to be a part of, then show up and camp and wheel.

Death Valley is free. he could have gone anytime. Why that weekend then come to this website and complain and rail people.

So I whined, BFD. I didnt hammer people for no reason. I didnt bitch about littering. i talked to those people about their trucks, asked for their knoweldge, offered mine. Explained about littering and why we despise it so much. Etc.

Why all the hostility?

I am learning more and more about certain people - you may not belive it and it doesnt really matter, but i have just many friends as anyone here in the rover community. We all hear things. We all see things. As someone so rightly stated earlier, its not what you are inside, its what you do. I would like to add. Its not what you have heard about that person, its what you SAW them do and how did you react to it.

We are all adults here as well as SCLr, or any other club across the nation and internationally.

Why we can't we act adults without such vile hostility and anger.

 

[Badfysh]

boo hooo, i whined again.

dont mind me I am going for thread of the year, as second place is first loser!!!!!
(if I dont get banned over this one)

 

[NorCal Relics]

Its OK, i am a big boy, i can handle it.

Damn right you can handle it, especially on the internet with everyone wearing their pajamas and bunny slippers. You're well on your own with words dude, but if it ever came to blows, I've got your back. Even though you don't own a series truck.

 

[Roverlady]

As for being a passenger and drinking that's up to the driver of the truck, if they want to allow that I have no issues with it.. However, I sure as hell wouldn't want someone who's been drinking spotting me on an obstacle, working a winch, and so on.. You want to be a passenger, hang out and take pictures and guzzle beer all day and you're not in the way, not acting like an a-hole, littering, and not wasted to the point that you have to be helped walk or slowing up the group cause you need to puke behind a tree I'm cool with it..

I can agree with that. I've honestly never seen people drinking more than one or two while riding on a trail...and never acting like idiots or unsafe. Like I said, if I'm riding (and I mean just for watching, not as the navigator or the spotter--it's usually on a trail where I can't take my truck but want to go along), then I've had one if it's offered to me...but I'm usually only operating a camera, watching or making sure I stay out of the way!

 

[p m]

Joe - don't take it as my attempt to dissociate myself from Jack or whatever he posted. I am fine with name-calling and any possible fake-internet-identity people put up. But it baffled me when I saw your post on Roverboard - apparently, your respect for people (which you laid claims to) depends on the board administrator.

Why we can't we act adults without such vile hostility and anger.

So, which Joe is it?

 

[Badfysh]

My anger stems from how people get treated here. Regardless of their status. Yes, nathan is a friend. I don't know marcus at all other than seeing some of his posts. But some of the first posts from Jack include some the worst treatment, name calling etc.

Why didn't he call him those names at RR07? And why even go to RR07 if he despises it and so many of its attendants?

I just got so fed up that I exploded and i readily admitted in poor fashion and very inarticulate.

 

[curtis]

Curtis - same thing, you don't know how a person will behave after one drink. The BAC figure is the risk the society is willing to accept.

Yes, but which society? The rate of acceptable BAC is diferent in many states and also carries different distictions (DUI = .03/DWI = .06 as an example). I think that people running events have to take into account that the possibility of injury from stupidity is already fairly high and that the event "society" should not tolerate alcohol for drivers on the trail. Let the passengers get ripped if they choose, but the driver could easily wait until the run is over so they don't jack someone up they barely even know.

Again, small groups are different and each group should have the right to set what they want within the law. This is just IMO.

 

[p m]

well, my arguments were just to take the heat off the drinking issue.
This RR was the first time I had a chance to wheel since early April of the last year - so I don't get out anywhere as often as I'd like to. That wouldn't "break it" for me if I knew that I couldn't have a cold beer at lunchtime, but it wouldn't make it more desireable, either.

Speaking of trail safety - there's more danger from people throwing rocks under the wheels from different sides without seeing each other than alcohol, IMO.

 

[reelpain]

Talk about amazing? How can ONE administrator / moderator have the sole power to docter,edit,delete a MEMBERS thread. How can it then be considered a "forum" or open discussion. Anyone over there hear of the 5th ammendment? Im an easy going guy, but NW is a piece of work! SCLR turning into "Stalinism"? Inquiring mind's (and new members) want to know!

 

[Ron L]

Why didn't he call him those names at RR07?

It's called being professional and courteous. Why bring it up in front of others? What is there to gain? What are we in high school? Meet by the Andy Gump at 3:30 pm?

And why even go to RR07 if he despises it and so many of its attendants?

Why did you go?



Why don't you stop worrying about what is going on between Jack and Nathan, focus on what the masses are saying over on the roverboard and quit asking the same questions until you get the answers you want to hear.

You want to drink on a trail? Get together with your "crew" and go drink on a trail. you want to drink when you roll into town for dinner? go ahead and do so... with your "crew".

This ego driven BS that you continue to spew over here and on the roverboard might not be costing you a thing "Big Boy". But you and Nathan represent what SCLR has to offer. Look at it from the outside for just a second and ask yourself why would anyone want to renew or sign up as a new member?

 

[curtis]

Ron does not speak much, but when he does...

 

[curtis]

Speaking of trail safety - there's more danger from people throwing rocks under the wheels from different sides without seeing each other than alcohol, IMO.

Fact: You throw rocks under a wheel, it gets spit out and hits one of my kids. My fault. You do it after having a few beers and you are going to be in for a couple of different court trips. All I am saying is why risk it? This is why almost all motorsports have a zero tolerance policy on alcohol and drugs. Look at this as a motorsport.

 

[Ron L]

Ron does not speak much, but when he does...

oh boy... cut me some slack Curtis, just this one time:bigok:

 

[Badfysh]

Wow, Ron, I am amazed that you too have fallen into this. I guess being professional means don't say anything to the person in private in person, just go on some board later and bash them and call them names. I dont give a shit how many patients someone has and can manage, what did they do to help in any way? constructive criticizm is all fair, but calling a guy moron and a posuer or a sorry ass mother fucker out of the blue, is not profressional by any means.

I went because I am member of SCLR and I wanted to go to see other members. people i dont get see all the time. By the way, I paid just like most everyone else even though I too could have camped 100 yards away on BLM for free. I also walked directly up to Nathan and asked about raffle tickets, he explained, i said that sucks, and walked away. Shit happens, a lot of people worked hard. So some stuff wasnt perfect. Big deal. By the way, show me one thread ever where I started bashing someone who didnt start first, i admit childish, but give me a break, I am sure there are people I dont like. But you dont see me saying, oh i saw that clown this weekend in his wannabe unlocked defenderbla blah.

I am not worried what goes on between jack and nathan as much as it happens continually from him and others here towards many people. its sickening, and to think this ass clown is complaining about an eventput on by clubs he doesnt want top join, he didnt pay, and he cant satand half the people there or their trucks.

ARE YOU PEOPLE BLIND??????

No this isn't high school, which is exactly why I said, if you had a problem, why not go to that person and voice it, in person, instead of complain on a forum days later and call them names. Those that did it need to grow up, and those that are defending it, stay as far away from me as those that did it.

Don't need enemies with friends like that.

Drink on the trail? I said whats wrong with having a beer at lunch? my "crew"? hardly. i meet new people all time and i wheel with lots of different types of people all the time. And never once have i talked down them, degraded them, asked to adhere to my lifstyle or mine to theirs. if we click we do, if we dont we dont. and thats it.

 

[Badfysh]

yeah, i'm done. this one has beat way past dead.

 

[reelpain]

here here Ron! You don't see NW posts being edited or deleted out of here? Its not even about "cliques" he refer's to so much. The fact is just because your not included in something doesn't constitute a "clique". If SCLR wants to retain its credibility it needs to call for Nathan Wood's to step down. There I said it...the newbie! Everyone is saying its between Jack and Nathan, my run in was not. Nor was Nathan's remarks lumping Jack and Expedition Exchange together. Im finding alot of people have issues with him. Unfortunately, him being an "officer",Moderator, "KING" of OUR club makes it necessary to deal with him..

 

[p m]

Fact: You throw rocks under a wheel, it gets spit out and hits one of my kids. My fault. You do it after having a few beers and you are going to be in for a couple of different court trips.

Curtis, does that look fair to you?
If a person throws a rock under a wheel of a vehicle, and YOUR kids are potentially in line with whatever gets thrown from the wheels, why is it MY fault, regardless of how many beers have I consumed?
Bad example.
I have wheeled with my kids a great lot in the past, and it has always been MY priority to watch over where they are and whether there is a slimmest remote chance of them being in danger.

Btw, keeping within JL's english rules, it is not a "Fact," it is a "Scenario."

 

[reelpain]

Badfysh; I glad to hear your experience over the raffle ticket's was different than mine. Mabe it was after being approached so much, I got the short end of the stick. For the record; I too walked dirrectly up to Nathan. he said he would talk with event coordinators and get back to me..(I gave him my site number) It was I who had to track him down at the enterance to the event tent and ask for my printout back and the result of his inquires. It was then when I was brushed off. So again Im glad your experience with Nathan was different. Im not into bashing anyone! I think you missed the point! Im just frusterated with how he handled it is all. Your in Death Valley for god's sake..No Internet, let alone cell service there.

 

[p m]

Reelpain -

5th Amendment issue was brought up before. The reality is that this board, as well as SCLR and EE boards, are not publicly funded media. It doesn't apply here.

 

[Mister Owl]

Reelpain -

5th Amendment issue was brought up before. The reality is that this board, as well as SCLR and EE boards, are not publicly funded media. It doesn't apply here.
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Peter Matusov

It most certain does not. I know it's been a long time for some of us since our last civics class so some review of the "Bill of Rights" might be in order.

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