Camera Talk.....
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Mike, that is a nice camera to be sure, but it just doesn't satisfy all of my photographic desires. I wouldn't mind the Leica as a second camera.
I say this because I recently came to the realization that I am just going to need two cameras. One is a fast-as-hell camera with big-ass zoom capability (20D) and my second (whenever I scrounge up the cash) will be a pocket-sized point and shoot where a DSLR is just too bulky and inconvenient. The Leica certainly falls into this category.
I say this because I recently came to the realization that I am just going to need two cameras. One is a fast-as-hell camera with big-ass zoom capability (20D) and my second (whenever I scrounge up the cash) will be a pocket-sized point and shoot where a DSLR is just too bulky and inconvenient. The Leica certainly falls into this category.
Mike_Rupp said:There's nothing wrong with any of the Nikons or Canons, but if gourmet is desired one must go Leica. Every pro that doesn't own one wants one.Sure the Japanese stuff has all kinds of gismos and wonderful features, but Leica has the glass.
i have a 35mm Leica that i rarely use, but they are beautiful pieces. my brother owns a few Hasselblad's and swears by them. http://www.hasselbladusa.com/
too often the convience of my digi camera gets in the way of using my 35mm, which is really unfortuntate. i better dust that thing off and get to taking some quality pics.
i forgot how damn sexy Leica's are.
once again the German's show us how it's done with form and function.
Mike_Rupp said:There's nothing wrong with any of the Nikon's or Canons, but if gourmet is desired one must go Leica. Every pro that doesn't own one wants one.
I hate to disagree with you Mike, but I know lots of professional photographers and I don't know any this day and time that really want a Lecia. As far as glass there is none better, but the camera has little to be desired this day and time, unless you just like heritage of the name and the German ingenuity which is quite understandable. If you are looking for a top notch quote *Gourmet* studio camera then you want a Hasselblad end of story. If you want a work horse camera that can get you 150,000 shutter releases without shutter failure than you want Nikon or Canon.
Lecia is kinda like the Ferrari of cameras....if you want a cool little sports type camera than get one...but you wouldn't use your Ferrari to haul hay out on the ranch. That camera wouldn't last a week in a real photojournalist shooting environment, but it would be cool to have at the house to pull out and show people at a dinner party I suppose.
RBBailey said:
Hey buddy, just to let you know....I wasn't slamming or bad mouthing your D70. My statements weren't a poke or stab at your camera. My frustration is soley with Nikon....I am sick and tired of Canon kicking Nikon in the nuts with every new camera release. In my opinion a Canon 20d is 2x the camera a D70 is....and just a little more expensive, but the added expense is well worth it. I really haven't had a chance to look at a D200. I have been so put out with Nikon and their last 2 prosumer releases....I am scared to look at a D200 because if it doesn't measure up...I will be kicking the dirt with my hands stuffed in my pockets and spitting on the ground and swearing under my breath.
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ditto on the leica...nothing more than WAY overpriced eye candy...but i am only reffering to their film slrs, i dont know anything about their digital line.
i will say that digital is the way to go if your paying bills with photography...pictures with very little turn around time is a very good and profitable thing. factor in cost per image/storage/proper exposure ie: "getting the shot" and you have made a ver wise business move.
i will say that digital is the way to go if your paying bills with photography...pictures with very little turn around time is a very good and profitable thing. factor in cost per image/storage/proper exposure ie: "getting the shot" and you have made a ver wise business move.
Discrover said:Hey buddy, just to let you know....I wasn't slamming or bad mouthing your D70. My statements weren't a poke or stab at your camera. My frustration is soley with Nikon....I am sick and tired of Canon kicking Nikon in the nuts with every new camera release. In my opinion a Canon 20d is 2x the camera a D70 is....and just a little more expensive, but the added expense is well worth it. I really haven't had a chance to look at a D200. I have been so put out with Nikon and their last 2 prosumer releases....I am scared to look at a D200 because if it doesn't measure up...I will be kicking the dirt with my hands stuffed in my pockets and spitting on the ground and swearing under my breath.
The thing of it is, I used Minolta (Maxum 7xi, and a Leica SL-2) before I went digital (the best move I have made in my hobby life since buying a '65 IIa, then the Disco, then the DII...)
Anyway, I wan't loyal to either brand. But my budget would not allow for the 20D or the D2. So I was stuck with either the D70 or the Canon DRebel..... frankly, if you want to argue that the 20D is better -- well, I won't say much. But if you walk into a camera store, pick up a DReb, and a D70, and you don't choose the D70 at the same price... you're nuts!
As far as the D200 is concerned, it looks to me like all the things lacking in the D70 for a prosumer camera are addressed in the D200, except they don't have 1/500 flash sync. Which is phenominal in the D70. ANY other camera is only 1/250th, which, unless you have used flash in action... well, 1/500th is twice the speed of any othe camera out there. Not a big deal though, for most situations. Just a little strange that the other cameras don't also have it.
The way I decided was to go into the store, with my top budget in mind (buy as high as you possibly can!) and actually hold and play with each camera. If you happen to like the camera that is lower in price, you won't be sorry, it just means you can buy a nice Pelican case or second lens to go with it. I have a fairly large Pelican that carries all my gear -- a must. In fact, you should probably buy the Pelican first, so it is ready when you get home.
P.S., except for college newspaper and yearbook photographer, this is the first job I have ever had. 7 of these photos are hanging in the Hillsboro Aviation building at Troutdale Airport, in black frames, just as you see on the web page, and printed at about 11x14 to 12x16 sizes depending on the crop:
http://home.comcast.net/~digital_lens_photo/hai_proofs/index.html
I want to shoot more Rovers, but I've got to get to some of the shows and rallys first!
http://home.comcast.net/~digital_lens_photo/hai_proofs/index.html
I want to shoot more Rovers, but I've got to get to some of the shows and rallys first!
RBBailey said:
Points well made buddy....the fact of the matter is my own opinion I don't even consider a Canon DRebel a Pro-sumer digital camera. It was just an after thought by Canon that unlike Nikon they totally made up for with the release of the 10d which was closely followed with the new Canon 20d. Don't get me wrong, again I have to defend on a daily basis other scoffing professional photographers giving me crap about my old out dated Nikon Gear. I LOVE Nikon as much or more than I do Land Rover and I will defend either to the end of time...but being a realist Canon is killing Nikon...even the full Pro-Body Mark II 16mp is more camera then Nikons new match for it in the D2x.
The main thing is as long as the camera does the job you need it to do. My best advise to new photographers is don't buy into all the camera hype. I know a ton of hobbyist semi-pros who in the last 5 yrs has bought, traded and sold 7 or 8 camera bodies...everytime a new pro-sumer hits the market they have to have it and run out and buy it and get rid of the one they just purchased the year before. I myself find that funny, but whatever floats your boat. When I invest in a camera I get the most camera for my money and look at owning that camera for at least 4yrs...as long as it is still making me money and doing 100% of everything I need it too than there is absolutely no reason to buy a new one.
Just my .02cents
If you get LRM you have probably seen this guy's work:
http://www.millhouse.nl/index2.html
Some sweet LR photography.
http://www.millhouse.nl/index2.html
Some sweet LR photography.
barefoot said:
Come on, the Leica SLR R series isn't what comes to mind when thinking of Leicas. The rangefinder M series are the Leicas I was referring to. Do you feel that the M series are WAY overpriced as well? You could buy a M6, use the shit out of it and sell it for close to what you bought it for.
Like I said earlier, the new Nikons and Canons Digital SLRs are nice cameras that get the job done. I'll probably end up with one myself one of these days. They still don't have the charm of a Leica.
I got a Canon 350D a few months ago. It's the 8mp camera and I'm pretty happy with it. Cost new was about $999USD. I happend to get it new off the shelf for $339USD. Turned out to be a problem with the pricing when I made the inquiry and they had to honor my price quote. Prior to that was one of the point and shoot 5mp Sony's. This is much better and the pickup times are super.
I spent some time on DP Review last night. Lots of good information.
Ben,
During Desert Shield / Storm I shot lots of film on an old faithful Canon T50. This camera worked great until I got back to the states; where it was dropped from a 4-story building
Ho,
Thanks for the peer pressure...LOL!
Ben,
During Desert Shield / Storm I shot lots of film on an old faithful Canon T50. This camera worked great until I got back to the states; where it was dropped from a 4-story building
Ho,
Thanks for the peer pressure...LOL!
Sorta off topic. I looking for a filter that does the same thing my Serengeti Drivers do, i.e. bring out colors (especially the yellow-red) and reduce haze. Any suggestions?
A T50! Dad had a Canon A1 and Mom had a T50 when I was growing up, would borrow them a lot to go shoot w/.... Finally Dad got me a Nikon 4004 so that I he could use his own camera (That was, what, 17 years ago? SLOW autofocus... but was nice that you could use any Nikon lens.) Although I loved his Canon, I've been a Nikon fan since.... Currently still have my N70 (not a digital D70, the older film SLR). Good camera. But, I'm slow to develop the film! I've got an older Nikon 4500 (one of the little coolpix digitals) at work that I usually have with me, and I use it all the time instead. We also have some 5700's around (5mp version of the 8mp 8700). What's sad is, though I never use the N70 much, I'm still wanting an FM3A.... (guess it goes w/ liking Series Rovers, eh?)
I liked the idea of the D100 when it came out, but was hearing grumblings about some aspects of it. Then the D70 seemed to fix some of those grumblings, but w/ 8mp being available by then in the Coolpix family, I felt it was silly spending that much money for a digital SLR that wasn't also at least 8mp, and was still hearing grumblings about the lag between shutter release and actually taking the photo. When the D2X came out a year ago, I was glad to see the jump in the mp, but at $5k it wasn't something I was rushing to pick up, lol... sure, if I made my living taking photos, it'd have made sense, but not for a part-time hobby. Now that the D200 has come out at 10+mp, I really like it. Still not rushing to get one today, but it has caught my interest.... can keep my Nikon glass for use with it, is one other plus I like.
Like Todd said, when the next one comes out after it, all the Jones' will dump their 200's, and might be an opportune time to pick up a used one.
FWIW, I like http://www.photo.net/
-L
I liked the idea of the D100 when it came out, but was hearing grumblings about some aspects of it. Then the D70 seemed to fix some of those grumblings, but w/ 8mp being available by then in the Coolpix family, I felt it was silly spending that much money for a digital SLR that wasn't also at least 8mp, and was still hearing grumblings about the lag between shutter release and actually taking the photo. When the D2X came out a year ago, I was glad to see the jump in the mp, but at $5k it wasn't something I was rushing to pick up, lol... sure, if I made my living taking photos, it'd have made sense, but not for a part-time hobby. Now that the D200 has come out at 10+mp, I really like it. Still not rushing to get one today, but it has caught my interest.... can keep my Nikon glass for use with it, is one other plus I like.
Like Todd said, when the next one comes out after it, all the Jones' will dump their 200's, and might be an opportune time to pick up a used one.
FWIW, I like http://www.photo.net/
-L