getting the jeep owners panties in a wod!

[1blkjp]

ITS ALL GOOD! when you all going to moab again, maybe we need to do a dweb and wrangler forum meetup!

I'd be down for that.

I also wanted to applaud you all for being great trail stewards whenever you see trash etc.... on the trail. Keeping our access to public lands is one of my top priorities in life. I am a member of a coalitino in Arizona to help maintain access rights to all forms of wheeling be it single track, quads, rails, or 4x4. We are all in it together and thru education and a little peer pressure we can and will win the fight. I am also a Tread Lightly Tread Trainer and spread that word when ever I can on the trails as well.

But I will never turn down a cold frosty beverage so who ever said the next round was on them bring it on.

 

[mikemeyer0]

ITS ALL GOOD! when you all going to moab again, maybe we need to do a dweb and wrangler forum meetup!

sounds like fun but I hate wheeling with more than 5 or 6 rigs. Get to an obsitical, wait, do obstical, go to next wait....

(i can't spell obstical)

 

[az_max]

sounds like fun but I hate wheeling with more than 5 or 6 rigs. Get to an obsitical, wait, do obstical, go to next wait....

(i can't spell obstical)

Here's help for you




:beer:

 

[mikemeyer0]

Here's help for you




:beer:

:drink: thanks

 

[p m]

I had a Cherokee. Now I have a RRC.

me, too.
Now I want another Cherokee. And another RRC.

 

[jimjet]

it's not the vehicles that bother me........it's the people that bother me.

every two weeks or so i am off roading and every two weeks i see a bunch of ignorant Jeep owners trashing the trails. beer cans, cutting down trees, etc. it's very much common place with them. maybe its just a VA thing, but i doubt it.

i am always impressed with Rover owners with the most part. especially when you consider MAR has 500 trucks with 1000 or so people and very little trash (if any) left behind.

I think
Jeeps are cheap and anyone can own one.most kids want a jeep as there first car and off into the woods,school grounds,parks ,your yard, over curbs,over your mail box,
they go.they have no respect for anything or anybody,why would they respect the trails.
its a different level responsibility your dealing with.
my first car was a CJ-5 and yes i went anywhere i could find weather it was leagal or not.

i love jeeps.
when i dig my 83 full sized Cherokee Chief out of the seacontainer i will post pics.
she was a Gorgeous thing after first restoration now she needs to be done again.

jim

 

[antichrist]

Along jimjet's line, I'm thinking a good bit of it is age related. I don't know, but I'm guessing your average Rover owner is older than your average Jeep owner. We've, the oldies, learned a few things along the way about not pissing in our beds.
But it's not just that either. I bought my first Rover when I was in my late teens and have always brought out more from trails than I took in.

edited to put the "l" on earned. lol

 

[1blkjp]

While I think that there's some relevance to what you are saying here about young people, I will tend to disagree about the Jeep Culture fostering a lower level of general awareness of what's right. It doesn't matter what one drives. If they don't care about what they are doing or have a mentality of I can do whatever I want whenever I want then we are all going to lose our trails. I've personally seen guys in 100k plus Hummer Alpha's litter and trash things with the best of them. Trail destruction knows no class or income level. It only knows irresponsible people who feel nothing they do is any body elses business.

I'm also sure that people would tend to disagree with you about jeeps being cheap these days. Rubicon models go for upwards of 30k an more. And as far as I know there are more of them sold in the US than old Disco's and LR3's.

What we need is to all work together as OHV enthusiasts. If this could happen then there would be no stopping us. We'd have millions of people and companies doing billions of dollars a year in OHV related business to stand up to our opposition and retain access to our trails for future generations to come.

I think
Jeeps are cheap and anyone can own one.most kids want a jeep as there first car and off into the woods,school grounds,parks ,your yard, over curbs,over your mail box,
they go.they have no respect for anything or anybody,why would they respect the trails.
its a different level responsibility your dealing with.
my first car was a CJ-5 and yes i went anywhere i could find weather it was leagal or not.

i love jeeps.
when i dig my 83 full sized Cherokee Chief out of the seacontainer i will post pics.
she was a Gorgeous thing after first restoration now she needs to be done again.

jim

 

[p m]

What we need is to all work together as OHV enthusiasts.

Shoot them?
Reminds me of Jack Q's love for Glamis.

 

[kennith]

WHO CARES?

They are cars. Motorized transportation. It doesn't matter which one is better, we already voted with our wallets. You don't have to argue about it, because a guy that dropped 10 grand on either a Jeep or a Rover isn't going to change his mind any time soon. Besides, there are people out there that could smoke all of you in a Subaru Forester.

Get a fucking life, already.

As for behavior, it's common knowledge that most Jeepers out there tend to be morons. It's also common knowledge that most Rover owners out there are yuppies. To deny either of these facts is to look like an idiot. These bulliten boards are not representative of the population.

So, again, who cares? Quit bugging the Jeep people, you will get them all stirred up. Just leave them alone unless you catch them wheeling in your yard.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[maxyedor]

I do agree that you see a lot more trash on the trail coming from Jeep guys, and think it's because of a few factors. There are more Jeeps out there, so if 10% of Jeep owners litter and 10% of Rover owners litter, the Jeep owners will have littered way more. Also Jeep has become a generic term like Kleenex, so if some idiot wants to blow his nose he asks for a kleenex, and if he then wants to go wheeling he asks for a Jeep, so you get more inexperience idiots in Jeeps than Rovers or Internationals, Toys ect.

Stock they seem to perform about the same as a Rover, but the new Jeeps just feel cheap. My buddy has a 2006 Cherokee, and it feels like a POS, everything is plastic and fake inside, my D1 has plenty of plastic iside, but it has pretty decent fit and finish, that's not so-much a knock against Jeep, but American cars in general. A Rubi and D1 cost about the same to mod, sure you can buy some really cheap crap for a Jeep that isn't available for a Rover, but for quality parts it will cost about the same.

What cracks me up are the guys with a tube chassis, chevy powered buggy with Rockwells and a Jeep hood trying to tell me that Jeeps are better than Rovers. The closest thing to a Jeep part they have is a fiberglass body, so how does the fact that a custon rock buggy on 50"s can go places my nearly stock D1 on 32"s can't say anything about the quality of a Jeep?

I don't discriminate against people for driving non Rover trucks offroad, just the idiots who cause trails to get closed. There are a few local Rover guys I don't go wheeling with because they litter, and are disrespectfull to other trail users.

Moral of the story is that all rigs are pretty good stock, but when you start modding them they get better, I much prefer Rovers, but will likley buy a Jeep soon so I can race Jeepspeed class. Like PM said we need to start shooting the idiots who give Rover drivers or Jeep drivers a bad name as littering, drunken assholes.

 

[ChicagoDon]

1blkjp,

Ive got a disco on 35s with a 3-link rear, long arm y-type radius arms up front, and 12" rear shocks and 14" front coilovers. My friend on here Mongo, has the same truck, but with 12" front shocks and no coilovers but he has 37s. We are both in AZ and should be done with our suspension work in a week or two. Send me a PM, we'll go for a trail run :victory:

 

[DIIdude]

This is going to be somewhat ?mall rated? as having a wife and kids now my wheeling days are behind me.

That said I have both a Wrangler and a D II and love them both. But they are two different vehicles. The D I use to pull our trailer around to MX races, take the whole fam on trips, ect. The jeep is cool as a DD that I can take the roof off and tool around.

I feel really lucky to own two great off-road trucks and see no need to ?choose?.

 

[1blkjp]

Will do boss. Because getting out and running is really what it's all about.

1blkjp,

Ive got a disco on 35s with a 3-link rear, long arm y-type radius arms up front, and 12" rear shocks and 14" front coilovers. My friend on here Mongo, has the same truck, but with 12" front shocks and no coilovers but he has 37s. We are both in AZ and should be done with our suspension work in a week or two. Send me a PM, we'll go for a trail run :victory:

 

[Mantaray]

As for behavior, it's common knowledge that most Jeepers out there tend to be morons. It's also common knowledge that most Rover owners out there are yuppies. To deny either of these facts is to look like an idiot.

that has to be one of the more ignorant things i've seen posted in a while. unless you've met with, wheeled with, and spent considerable time with a large cross section of the Jeep owning population; making a a statement on what is or isn't "common knowledge" is just asinine. i've owned a Jeep and been around Jeepers for over a decade. i can tell you that while online forums may not represent the overall ownership and stereotypes exist for a reason, your statement isn't at all accurate. i still have my Jeep, and i've owned a Rover. i've met good people and bad apples in both arenas.

 

[mightymg]

Well its over, they deleletd the thread. Great though, I met some cool dudes over there, so hopefully we can meet in moab and wheel it up. Last night I went down to Land Rover Centerville to get a ramp score because one of the cherokee ownsers said flex wasnt shit wihtout a ramp score, and he said his buddy ramps 1400, so I went down and had the LR tech measure me up. HERE are the results, and pics.

* also I was unretained, when im not showing off flex, and im wheling, I retain them. this also was with only 11 inch foxs in the rear, I used to run a 14 inch rancho that would drop the spring out of the retainer, on this ramp it didnt even in perch, so if I had those other shocks I could have been on the top.*

 

[kennith]

that has to be one of the more ignorant things i've seen posted in a while. unless you've met with, wheeled with, and spent considerable time with a large cross section of the Jeep owning population; making a a statement on what is or isn't "common knowledge" is just asinine. i've owned a Jeep and been around Jeepers for over a decade. i can tell you that while online forums may not represent the overall ownership and stereotypes exist for a reason, your statement isn't at all accurate. i still have my Jeep, and i've owned a Rover. i've met good people and bad apples in both arenas.

Oh, lighten up. You can swap both of those statements and they are still accurate.

There are a lot of people out there who would not clean up a spill if nobody was watching.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[1blkjp]

Well its over, they deleletd the thread. Great though, I met some cool dudes over there, so hopefully we can meet in moab and wheel it up. Last night I went down to Land Rover Centerville to get a ramp score because one of the cherokee ownsers said flex wasnt shit wihtout a ramp score, and he said his buddy ramps 1400, so I went down and had the LR tech measure me up. HERE are the results, and pics.

Hey there fella's. Yes I did close the thread. I did so because tempers were starting to get out of hand and I will admit mainly by a couple of guys that were my members.

Don't think that you cannot participate on the board at all, I just felt it was time that thread be closed to let cooler heads prevail.

Mighty your pics look good man, but don't let anyone tell you that a Ramp Score is more important then how your junk works on the trail.

By the way, the link you posted on my board forces you to sign in on here to see it. Might want to link the pics directly to our board if you want others to see it.

 

[Skaman386]

Unfortunately I had to get a Jeep instead of a Disco for my first car. I was pissed for saving up all of my money just to get a Jeep.

It's definitely getting some LR decals just to show my much deeper appreciation for LR than Jeep.

 

[UK 4X4]

Ok suppose I'm buggered then as I have a TJ and a Disco, both lifted running 33's...

Does that mean I litter some day's and sup champers on others ?

I can get my rover up things the jeep has dificulty with....and I get the jeep through things that would get me expensive panel work damage on the Disco.

I've ran the same trails in the D2 and the jeep, and the D2 always got me home, with the jeep I had lots of nice friends to trailer it back

What do I drive on a daily basis given the choice...........the D2..........

Come summer, I might switch, just cos topless is fun