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Of course, you have the right to disagree, but the solutions to global warming don't have to ruin our fun.
...but they WILL unless you become part of the process, rather than completely opposing it, because if you remove yourself from the discussion on viable solutions on principal, there won't be anyone around to say, "what about low-impact OHV use"?
...but they WILL unless you become part of the process, rather than completely opposing it, because if you remove yourself from the discussion on viable solutions on principal, there won't be anyone around to say, "what about low-impact OHV use"?
Mr.Newsom, you have to say something extremely smart and convincing now in order to continue to be listened to.knewsom said:
There's a separate thread for Global Warming, if you are interested in the subject.
If you want to see how well these "solutions" work, read this. Sounds like they lighten your wallet more then improve the climate.
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/i...at-you-cant-do-about-global-warming/#more-376
http://www.worldclimatereport.com/i...at-you-cant-do-about-global-warming/#more-376
knewsom said:
I'm all for taking care of our planet. My head is not up my ass, therefore I'm not buying those that are selling the global warming farce as a reason to: turn good corn liquor into expensive fuel, (indirectly increasing the price of corn products) nor put ugly mercury filled bulbs in my sockets, or buy a death trap to drive.
I am part of the process, I just dont jump on the same wobbly bandwagons as you.
The #1 environmental problem is continuing overpopulation. We are breeding ourselves out of existance on this planet. If we can'd reach zero population growth or at least a slow growth then every other action we are taking to save our planet and still have a semigood lifestyle for most people is doomed to failure. Global warming if it really exists and I'm not sure it does can't be controlled unless world populations are brought under control. Every new billion in population brings us 1 step closer to the void. We are running out of farmland, depleting the oceans, cutting vast forests, etc all because their are too many of us and continuing to grow. The Pope needs to get his head out of his ass and allow birth control. The Mormons and I am one, need to stop having huge families.
Do we need to control population growth? Yes. I'm sticking to one child. I suggest everyone else do the same, but I'm not gonna pass a law charging you buttloads of taxes if you do, like they did in China.
Do we consume too many natural resources? Yes. Our lifestyles need to become more efficient, and they are, just not fast enough. Part of helping this along is shifting part of consumption to nonphysical things, like movies, music, software. Platforms for this are key - iPhone, PSP, etc. That way a product can be created, sold, bought, with little to no waste, and very little energy consumption. The way we create energy is changing and needs to continue to do so - Nuclear pebble-bed reactors are a great way to do this, but it's not enough. We need more wind farms, solar farms, SMALL hydro-electric (tiny environmental footprint, but en masse, can create a lot of eletricity), and INNOVATION. Pumping CO2 undeground is an interesting stopgap, but what we NEED are solutions that don't create it in the first place.
I dont' count corn ethanol among the sustainable or inteligent solutions. It's NOT a solution. Now ethanol made from genetically engineered yeast which consumes waste cellulose and sewage? Totally different idea, and a VERY good one. In fact, it's HAPPENING.
Methane is a far stronger greenhouse gas, and it's created in lakes everywhere, and by dairy farms (and by taco bell!). It can be captured and used as FUEL - there are already dairies here in California that do this, and use that fuel to help power their milkers. Solutions like this are super important.
The population CAN grow a bit more, but it's gonna be tough if it grows at the current rate. The only real solutions here are DRASTIC lifestyle changes, underground megalopoli, and vertical farms....
Vertical Farms are an INCREDIBLE idea and need to be used NOW - this alone could dramatically reduce humanity's carbon footprint by ELIMINATING the shipping of most food, and prevent wasting good fresh water, AND reduce the amount of agracultural runoff, which greatly damages the ocean. If you're unfamiliar with the concept, have a look.
In conclusion, you can see I'm not a band wagoneer. Solutions like this are REAL solutions, that DO and WILL work. Yes, there will be costs involved, and we're going to be paying, one way or another. Trying to convince yourself that because you don't like how CFLs look, or how Priuses drive, or that Everclear is more expensive now that they're selling Ethanol means that there ARE no real solutions and you don't need to change how you live your life... I think that's a real mistake. Look deeper. This is more than a bandwagon, and the noisy bastards in the movement who have nothing useful to say at all piss me off must as much as they piss you off too.
Do we consume too many natural resources? Yes. Our lifestyles need to become more efficient, and they are, just not fast enough. Part of helping this along is shifting part of consumption to nonphysical things, like movies, music, software. Platforms for this are key - iPhone, PSP, etc. That way a product can be created, sold, bought, with little to no waste, and very little energy consumption. The way we create energy is changing and needs to continue to do so - Nuclear pebble-bed reactors are a great way to do this, but it's not enough. We need more wind farms, solar farms, SMALL hydro-electric (tiny environmental footprint, but en masse, can create a lot of eletricity), and INNOVATION. Pumping CO2 undeground is an interesting stopgap, but what we NEED are solutions that don't create it in the first place.
I dont' count corn ethanol among the sustainable or inteligent solutions. It's NOT a solution. Now ethanol made from genetically engineered yeast which consumes waste cellulose and sewage? Totally different idea, and a VERY good one. In fact, it's HAPPENING.
Methane is a far stronger greenhouse gas, and it's created in lakes everywhere, and by dairy farms (and by taco bell!). It can be captured and used as FUEL - there are already dairies here in California that do this, and use that fuel to help power their milkers. Solutions like this are super important.
The population CAN grow a bit more, but it's gonna be tough if it grows at the current rate. The only real solutions here are DRASTIC lifestyle changes, underground megalopoli, and vertical farms....
Vertical Farms are an INCREDIBLE idea and need to be used NOW - this alone could dramatically reduce humanity's carbon footprint by ELIMINATING the shipping of most food, and prevent wasting good fresh water, AND reduce the amount of agracultural runoff, which greatly damages the ocean. If you're unfamiliar with the concept, have a look.
In conclusion, you can see I'm not a band wagoneer. Solutions like this are REAL solutions, that DO and WILL work. Yes, there will be costs involved, and we're going to be paying, one way or another. Trying to convince yourself that because you don't like how CFLs look, or how Priuses drive, or that Everclear is more expensive now that they're selling Ethanol means that there ARE no real solutions and you don't need to change how you live your life... I think that's a real mistake. Look deeper. This is more than a bandwagon, and the noisy bastards in the movement who have nothing useful to say at all piss me off must as much as they piss you off too.
That's the dumbest thing I heard from you yet (the first part, up to and including "Yes.")knewsom said:
p m said:
Stunning refutation, Mr. Matusov. I'll certainly have to reconsider my position on the subject.
...or do you have reasons other than "a really really really REALLY old book said to go make babies?" that you'd like to share with the class?
I was about to embark on a long dissertation on Malthusian theory, but decided that I've had enough of this in the past. I'll try to be short.
Unless you have medical reasons not to have more children, having only one under a pretense of setting an example of population control is nothing more than a excuse to take an easy street in life.
So...
Either you really believe in what you said, there may indeed be some benefit for the society if you limit your procreation.
Or you haven't really come to grips with what you want in this life. It may come to you later, but it may be too late.
Unless you have medical reasons not to have more children, having only one under a pretense of setting an example of population control is nothing more than a excuse to take an easy street in life.
So...
Either you really believe in what you said, there may indeed be some benefit for the society if you limit your procreation.
Or you haven't really come to grips with what you want in this life. It may come to you later, but it may be too late.
Brother, I'm 28 years old... I'm married, have a wonderful one and a half year old son who is more than I ever could have dreamed for. I've got exactly what I want. If I decide I want more kids later, I've got plenty of time, but there's NO WAY I want more than 2, EVER. For now, I'm fairly certain one is enough, and I DO want to set a positive example. A family of three plus a dog can be plenty fulfilling, as long as you share that life with other families. No man is an island, neither is a family. Friends and extended family are key.
...is it so hard to believe that I lead a fulfilled life? Did you labor under delusions about what you wanted until a crisis reminded you that what was most important was right under your nose all along? Personally, I'd rather cut the crisis part out, enjoy my family, my career, and my Disco.
...is it so hard to believe that I lead a fulfilled life? Did you labor under delusions about what you wanted until a crisis reminded you that what was most important was right under your nose all along? Personally, I'd rather cut the crisis part out, enjoy my family, my career, and my Disco.
...so you're simply criticizing my decision to only have one child based solely on the fact that it's easier than several?
Or are you saying that my decision to have only one child has nothing to do with the notion of sustainable living? Certainly, there were multiple factors in the decision, but one of those factors was to show other people that it's ok to only have one kid. Another was the fact that I'm absolutely ok with only having one kid. And yes, it's easier. That, however, is one of the lesser deciding factors. When presented with two paths, I tend to veer towards the one less taken, which is most often also the more difficult. I do so not simply because it is difficult, but because I see little to gain by blindly following the majority, and assess each path for what it is. We all try to make smart decisions, but of course, it's never so simple, is it?
Or are you saying that my decision to have only one child has nothing to do with the notion of sustainable living? Certainly, there were multiple factors in the decision, but one of those factors was to show other people that it's ok to only have one kid. Another was the fact that I'm absolutely ok with only having one kid. And yes, it's easier. That, however, is one of the lesser deciding factors. When presented with two paths, I tend to veer towards the one less taken, which is most often also the more difficult. I do so not simply because it is difficult, but because I see little to gain by blindly following the majority, and assess each path for what it is. We all try to make smart decisions, but of course, it's never so simple, is it?
My head hurts.knewsom said:
Besides not making sense, Mr. Newsom, your writing style reminds me of monologues of the central character in Tim Dorsey's novels.
"Put down the bong" is a very profound assessment.
Wow, did I fall asleep and wake up in Jr. High School? Unbelievable - here I though I was having an actual discussion. Gee, how ever am I to counter such stirring arguments as "put down the bong" and "I can has koolaidz"?
Whatever dudes. Let me know when you want to have a grownup type talk on the matter. If you insist on acting like seventh-graders, at least do something interesting, and talk about how hot the teacher is.
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Whatever dudes. Let me know when you want to have a grownup type talk on the matter. If you insist on acting like seventh-graders, at least do something interesting, and talk about how hot the teacher is.
:victory: