Tolerance-What a joke.

[antichrist]

I believe I could prove that these laws about clothing, how long your hair can or cannot be, what food you can eat, etc, are not applicable to this day. They have a context.

Well, there are a lot of interpretations, but let's, for the sake of argument, say that the things you've been discussing are indeed a prohibition against homosexuality.

Now you say you believe that many of the laws are contextual. I'll grant you that. How do you know the prohibitions on homosexuality are contextual. The population was limited, death came early, there was a need to procreate as much as possible. In addition, the Jews, and early Christians, were persecuted and put in to slavery. Greater procreation would help ensure survival of the culture. Those are conditions that are no longer present today. So certainly it's possible those contextual laws, that no longer apply today, could also apply to homosexuality.

 

[rovercanus]

Inerrant - believing that the Bible, in it's original form, is without error and free from all contradiction.quote]

Why do you think that when the evidence to the contrary is overwhelming?

Blind faith knows no logic, nor requires any.

 

[hamsquatch]

Blind faith knows no logic, nor requires any.

amen.

...and hope you're doing well

 

[landrovered]

I see a value in faith as it relates to optimism and the future. Call it Karmatic influence.

I went to parochial schools every year of my life, it was through the analysis of christian scripture at the hands of the learned that I lost my christian faith and eventually became a buddhist.

Thank you to all those ruler smacking penguins, I am a happier person for the experience.

 

[ArmyRover]

show me where, and I'll show you that it is either taken out of context, or no longer applies.

The question then to me is who decides what rules apply and which ones don't?

Of course in the end we're all just :banghead:

 

[brian4d]

I'm sorry to see they treated that woman the way they did. Had I been there I would have gone down in a Blaze of Glory... Cali voted, it passed get over it. I have already accepted the fact that Obama is the next president of the United States, as sour as I am - - - It is what it is. The masses voted, change is on the way! Though it might not be in months or years, or even in his first term.

Marriage is between and man and a woman. What's so damn hard to understand? If you put and man and a woman on an island for life. They could have children, their children could have children and so on. If you put two gay guys on an island, they would both die and the life cycle would not continue. Can there be a happy mix, yes. Can we control this mix, no. All morals, values and beliefs are learned behavior. I know it's hard to imagine now, but if it takes a tilt for homosexuality who knows what would happen. If you are born a homosexual, I stand corrected... I have nothing what-so-ever against homosexuals, I'm just (trying) to think 300-1000 years down the road....

 

[DiscoJen]

If you put and man and a woman on an island for life. They could have children, their children could have children and so on. If you put two gay guys on an island, they would both die and the life cycle would not continue.

I'm very grateful for hetero couples...if it were not for breeders my dating pool sure would be limited.

 

[brian4d]

I'm very grateful for hetero couples...if it were not for breeders my dating pool sure would be limited.

Well said! :agree:

 

[Chris-St Louis]

I'm very grateful for hetero couples...if it were not for breeders my dating pool sure would be limited.

You shoudl thank me.... MANY women have gone gay after being with me!:smilelol:

 

[Blue]

I'm sorry to see they treated that woman the way they did. Had I been there I would have gone down in a Blaze of Glory... Cali voted, it passed get over it. I have already accepted the fact that Obama is the next president of the United States, as sour as I am - - - It is what it is. The masses voted, change is on the way! Though it might not be in months or years, or even in his first term.

Marriage is between and man and a woman. What's so damn hard to understand? If you put and man and a woman on an island for life. They could have children, their children could have children and so on. If you put two gay guys on an island, they would both die and the life cycle would not continue. Can there be a happy mix, yes. Can we control this mix, no. All morals, values and beliefs are learned behavior. I know it's hard to imagine now, but if it takes a tilt for homosexuality who knows what would happen. If you are born a homosexual, I stand corrected... I have nothing what-so-ever against homosexuals, I'm just (trying) to think 300-1000 years down the road....

Unless you're from the south, it just ain't right to mate with your sister.

 

[ArmyRover]

You shoudl thank me.... MANY women have gone gay after being with me!:smilelol:

I'm not sure you should be proud of that:rofl:

 

[brian4d]

Unless you're from the south, it just ain't right to mate with your sister.

That's great! Those Southern jokes never get old!!! Holy shit!

 

[Ronnie]

If you are born a homosexual, I stand corrected... I have nothing what-so-ever against homosexuals, I'm just (trying) to think 300-1000 years down the road....

Do you think gays suddenly hatched from the Earth in the last 80 years?!? They have been here much longer than 300+ years and it hasn't affected the human races survival yet. I think we'll all be ok.

 

[Ronnie]

What comes to my mind when I read these and other similar posts is the old saying about people ridiculing what they don't understand. If a person is not a Christian, than they will tend to struggle w/ Christian morality. So be it. atriot: I don't pretend to understand everything, or anything for that matter, about Islam, Buddhism, Judaism, etc.

Maybe it is you who doesn't understand. You make assumptions that just because someone is for gay marriage, or not against gay marriage depending on how you look at it, they are automatically not Christian and don't understand Christian morality. Some of us have studied the Bible and Jesus' words and have come to different conclusions.

When I read Romans it reads to me that Paul refers to exploitive same sex relationships among pagan Romans and Greeks and had no idea of committed same-gender relationships. Also, the Bible has no concept of homosexuality?there were no Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew words for it. When you read the term homosexuality in your King James or New International or whatever version you like to use, someone in fairly modern times chose to put that word there. I don't feel comfortable, creating laws to deny someone peace and happiness on the off chance that some random priest got it all 100% correct.

 

[varova87]

Also, the Bible has no concept of homosexuality?there were no Greek, Aramaic, or Hebrew words for it.

then perhaps you can describe to me the meaning of malakos, or even arsenokoiths? Arsenokoiths being the harder to trace of the two, but nevertheless, it was more than likely used at the very least in Corinth. How convenient.

 

[antichrist]

Some interesting reading
http://books.google.com/books?id=F0...=X&oi=book_result&resnum=1&ct=result#PPA80,M1

 

[Ronnie]

Thanks Tom. That saved me a lot of google searching. I know my own beliefs from years of studying but where I first read it, who knows but those pages pretty much say what I have read elsewhere.

To get back to the question for anyone who doesn't follow your link for the more detailed answer, I'll just say in regards to Paul's letters in 1 Corinthians and Romans that more recent interpretations note that using a generic homosexual term fails to account for the fact that the sexual practices between men that existed 2000 years ago typically took the form of prostitution, not mutual loving relationships. Therefore, these scholars argue, one may not conclude that Paul was condemning something that only came into open existence within our century.

 

[kennith]

The problem with quoting the bible is that you're quoting the bible.

:rofl:

That is indeed the problem.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[kennith]

Some read the bible and say that homosexuality is horrible. Some read it and say that it is ok to be gay. Some look at it and say all the Jews need to be exterminated systematically, burned in ovens, gassed with their families until they are dead, and made to live in horrible conditions until this death comes. Some look at the Bible and live decent lives afterword.

It's the same bible. In every case the people believe what they are doing is right. If you don't agree with what they did, you say they perverted your faith. If you do agree, you side right with them.

That book can justify whatever you want. In the end, though, it is just a book. God may be real or not, it doesn't matter. We cannot know, and until we can, there are a thousand more gods with different views that we can worship.

Or not worship. Take your pick.

Pointing at the Bible is no argument. It never has been.

Cheers,

Kennith

 

[antichrist]

Pointing at the Bible is no argument. It never has been.

Exactly. That's why, for me, if all parties concerned in an activity take responsibility for their actions and are consenting adults, and they aren't hurting anyone who isn't one of the consenting adults, it's none of my business what they do. It's the only way we will truely have a free society.