McCain VP- Sarah Palin
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"Amidst a rousing and slanted keynote speech, former GOP Senator of Tennessee and actor Fred Thompson uttered one comment that Republicans cannot be thrilled with: “In flight school in Pensacola, [Sen. John McCain] did drive a Corvette and date a girl who worked in a bar as an ‘exotic dancer’ under the name of ‘Marie the Flame of Florida.’” "
That's some funny stuff. I know this says nothing about McCain other than he's done a stripper, but why would anyone say this about someone... especially in front of the nation and his wife (who happens to have a prenup. with him). I'd give a buck to see the look on her face when that comment came out.
That's some funny stuff. I know this says nothing about McCain other than he's done a stripper, but why would anyone say this about someone... especially in front of the nation and his wife (who happens to have a prenup. with him). I'd give a buck to see the look on her face when that comment came out.
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bri said:
Excuse me, are you not aware that John McCain was an executive in the United States military? Would you not agree that being in that position carries a little bit more direct responsibility to human life than a politician? If not, I won't bother myself with entertaining anymore of your "beliefs" from this point on...
Maybe you're unaware as to what is involved in true military leadership and direction of a group of men and women charging into a situation that is unpredictable, can change on a dime, and in which you have to mentally react to physically survive... OH, and not to mention they are risking their lives so that we can live in freedom.
Is that not enough bri?
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bri said:
Bingo! I did hope someone would pick up on that.
I'd have to agree with AK, though, he does have the military leadership at least.
After all the slinging... No matter what you think of any of the four of them, it still comes down to the fact that Obama is as socialistic as they get in the U.S. Government: I can't think of any way around that fact, just look at his voting record, and the things he says and does off the record. McCain is a Patriotic-Liberal some days, Leftist-Republican others, but at least he's not socialistic.
Except for a few very specific items where he obviously, and openly, is Liberal, Obama speaks as if he is a true Conservative -- to me, that means he is lying. I actually think he is talking the Conservative talk to get the votes, but has no intention to follow through on it. If he is elected, he will simply keep talking Conservative while Nancy Pelosi does all the work to push through the socialistic programs they have in the waiting. There won't be any scandals, there won't be anything big to point at, he will simply sign the bills as they come across his desk while still talking about Hope and Change.
I'm still in the category of voting against Obama. I'm OK now with voting for McCain, but only with the hope that he will actually practice what he preaches. However, I predict that his term will be just a list of things not done. Nothing really damaged, nothing really fixed, just a pause in the slow spiral to a more and more socialistic society.
And with that, unless something big happens, I'm out. Of course, this monologue deserves a few bumps, at least.
HunterAK said:
Wrong.
The correct answer is "maybe".
If it was at her direction, it would be "yes". If not, it would be "no". And if (and as long as) the definitive answer to that question was not clear (or the statute of limitations ran out), it would remain "maybe".
In general that is true. As for this particular case... you can't say that, because you don't know.
True. I think the question with that case was whether or not some of that direction could be considered unethical or illegal. MarkP has dug up info that seems to point toward "no". (Or that the directions not followed had nothing to do with the State Trooper case.) So you might be right on that one (including having every right to call him a pussy ass bitch).
Sure. If it was all legit and the accusations are all true, then I've got no problem with it. But if they weren't, or if he was specifically targeted while other known problem officers went ignored (or even hired), then I do have a problem with it. (At least with the character of those involved.) Whether it were done by direction, or as purely independent ass-kissing by an employee.
Either way... it does mean jack, and is worth looking at to find out what exactly happened.
As to that pile of accusations, I don't know. I've heard so many conflicting reports (that some of them are true but others not, or that they are all true, or that she knew all about most of them and stuck up for him anyway until the divorce, etc, etc) from so many sources that I'm not going to take a position on any of it until I know more.
No need... I'm not ruling it out. I just tend to expect the worst in this kind of scenario, and am all to often rewarded (or is it punished?) for it. We are talking about a politician here, and I am inherently distrustful of politicians of all stripes. I am delighted to be proven wrong. Oh, how I wish to always be proven wrong!
I am waiting, even if I will be less suprised to hear of shady business than to hear it was all legit. I concede that it might be, even if it doesn't smell very good to me so far.
My only point was that it does mean jack if her employees did what they did, and explained why. It means there are further questions to be answered, as it is quite common for the employer to be ultimately responsible for their employees actions in this type of case. Particularly with politicians, powerful business persons, and big-time gangsters.
I do agree with you on military experience, though.
If I thought I could trust McCain to practice all of what he preached tonight, I might consider voting for him. But he's shattered my initial image of him too many times for that by now.
HunterAK said:
ThePoint <------------------------------------------------------------> HunterAK
I believe that we were discussing the irony that the candidate with the least amount of experience is the only one that has held a executive office and made executive decisions. I merely point out that I believe that this would be true, that Palin is the only one that has held executive office,including McCain.
There was no mention about military office, I believe that the post was referring to political office.
I apologize for your confusion.
Please consider before you respond directly to posts that you may be speaking to someone years your elder that has a great deal of respect for all military staff. Maybe even someone that works with military commanders on a regular basis, supports the military, donates on a regular basis, has season tickets to the USAFA football games, maybe even a member of the Association of the United States Army, you just never know who you are talking to on these forums or who you may accidentally talk down to or insult. You never know when someone is just here for some friendly conversation.
Now, if you would like to post how McCain's plan for improving education, I am all ears.
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RBBailey said:
LOL, I have been to socialist countries and understand some of the effects but I think that we still a long ways away, even if the people elect someone that has socialist beliefs. For me this is not necessarily my primary concern.
On the same kind of idea, I am not sure that I would let McCain's military background alone make my decision for the next candidate. I respect McCain's military background for sure, but we have working officers that will get the job done.
Its all going to boil down to a bunch of little issues and priorities and weighing them out... I wanted an easy decision.
;-)
So far....I do not think I will vote, and that is kind of depressing to me.
Cheers,
Brian
PS: LWB running strong, got some new Mediterranean Poplar for the interior too!
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First, I'm shocked that when Palin heard Wooten threaten to shoot two people, one of whom was her sister, she decided not to call the authorities. :ack:MarkP said:
Second, I'm no lawyer obviously, but I would think him releasing his personal employment records to a lawyer as part of a divorce proceeding would only apply to that specific case, and they wouldn't be distributed to others.
edit, to insert "not"
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I'm guessing that he made it as comment about some of the stuff that's being said about McCain that has nothing to do with anything. Personally, I think it's funny. Doesn't matter one bit to me. It does seem weird he'd say it on national TV, a lot of people will probably latch on to it and try to make something of it. And it might bother some of his religious fanatic supporters.bri said:
How about McCain raining on the Palin parade? Any momentum raised by her last night is surely fizzled by that underwhelming speech. Senator McCain is as exciting as driving across Kansas on a cloudless day in September. For a man that claims change, he spewed the same rhetoric as the party he is supposed to be such a rebellious member of.
His statement about America not running from history but making history was super solid. Kudos to that.
His statement about America not running from history but making history was super solid. Kudos to that.
Actually Sen Bernie Sanders is probably the most socialist LOL.RBBailey said:
I don't consider McCain to be a patriot at all. Used to be, based on his record. Not any more, based on his more recent record.
Based on that more recent record, I don't see how you could believe anything McCain says.
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antichrist said:
I see point...
For me his "sucking up" was just part of politics. The religious right are the ones who basically tanked his 2000 bid. He was trying to get that faction of the party to not attack him in 2008 as it did in 2000 in SC. This year, did they come out and support him? No, they largely supported Huckabee. But they did not pull the underhanded BS that occurred in 2000. The religious right wasn't happy with McCain, but he made them feel that he wouldn't go completely against them.
It's called co-opting your enemies and works very well in counterinsurgency (See: Irag - Anbar Awakening) and politics. Unfortunately, to do it, you have to talk to and work with people who were your sworn enemies. YMMV - You call it selling out, I call it being pragmatic.
To me, McCain's character was tested in refusing to buckle to the N. Vietnamese and go home early. I really don't see him, as President, bowing down to Falwell on some issue. Sticks and stones vs. words. He's already had the sticks and stones, and still gave the Vietnamese the finger.
Morning All,
Glad everyone is now happy with their candidates and the conventions are over. I for one am looking forward to the debates. I am glad the GOP could rally in the twin cities so the schellacing they are going to get will at least be thought of as a fair fight.
if the debates between the candidates are half as spirited as the debates on Dweb then democracy will be well served.
Everyone to your neutral corners and when the bell rings, come out swinging.
And keep the low blows to a minimum.
I have to earn a living now since Dweb has not sent me a check yet...
Namaste!
Glad everyone is now happy with their candidates and the conventions are over. I for one am looking forward to the debates. I am glad the GOP could rally in the twin cities so the schellacing they are going to get will at least be thought of as a fair fight.
if the debates between the candidates are half as spirited as the debates on Dweb then democracy will be well served.
Everyone to your neutral corners and when the bell rings, come out swinging.
And keep the low blows to a minimum.
I have to earn a living now since Dweb has not sent me a check yet...
Namaste!
landrovered said:
Yeah, about those debates....
Didn't BO puss out on McCain's offer of a town hall meeting/debate every week until the election? What's he afraid of?
SGaynor said:
The first rule of combat is control the time and place of the conflict. I would not expect anything less from a shrewd opponent would you?
antichrist said:
Hey Tom, what did you mean by you were, "shocked that Palin would call the authorities when she hears that Wooten...?"
You may be right about McCain, we'll see. But according the A.P.'s ratings based on voting records, Obama is even more liberal/socialistic than Bernie Sanders (a registered socialist, for those who don't know).
Blue said:
LOL...McCain couldn't win a goldfish at a state fair. He sealed his fate last night. But you keep telling yourself that Blue...power of positive thinking may get you somewhere yet. Just not the white house.