Mar Armed Marshals??
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I think Kyles question is obvious and reading the thread I also think you either have not read his post thoroughly or are side stepping.
Kyle asked: Does ROAV not care if their apointed staff is packing or not ?
I think he may have asked a couple of other questions that are not answered, but did not go through them, just to repost.
Reading your posts it sure sounds like the Marshals have not been requested to pack heat, but they are free too if they desire. Fine, but do you have any criteria for them to meet?
Is this true of the participants as well? at a large event like this booze and firearms are both OK to bring along?
"Nothing bad happened that has to be corrected." If I remember correctly (could not find the old post), the complaint was that someone at MAR last year was packing heat, while spotting or helping out and they had no clear marking as being a professional or official of any kind and this worried someone. MAR got some bad press here, so I would definitely not cosider it good.
Frankly, I am used to people carrying guns. Does it make me uncomfortable at times when it is a stranger and I have no clue of their ability? You betcha.
"Oh , and you reference people that dont go. It shouldnt be to hard to figure out why should it ?"
You won't find me near the event, for numerous reasons. The ONLY thing I will be missing out on is Bill's Seminars and he is for hire. 500 people, 300 Vehicles, guns and booze, people littering the trail, now there is a good time.
You all be safe and have fun.
Cheers.
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Brian
Kyle asked: Does ROAV not care if their apointed staff is packing or not ?
I think he may have asked a couple of other questions that are not answered, but did not go through them, just to repost.
Reading your posts it sure sounds like the Marshals have not been requested to pack heat, but they are free too if they desire. Fine, but do you have any criteria for them to meet?
Is this true of the participants as well? at a large event like this booze and firearms are both OK to bring along?
"Nothing bad happened that has to be corrected." If I remember correctly (could not find the old post), the complaint was that someone at MAR last year was packing heat, while spotting or helping out and they had no clear marking as being a professional or official of any kind and this worried someone. MAR got some bad press here, so I would definitely not cosider it good.
Frankly, I am used to people carrying guns. Does it make me uncomfortable at times when it is a stranger and I have no clue of their ability? You betcha.
"Oh , and you reference people that dont go. It shouldnt be to hard to figure out why should it ?"
You won't find me near the event, for numerous reasons. The ONLY thing I will be missing out on is Bill's Seminars and he is for hire. 500 people, 300 Vehicles, guns and booze, people littering the trail, now there is a good time.
You all be safe and have fun.
Cheers.
;-)
Brian
Kyle said:Lets hope Bill doesnt get out of line and get capped.....
Twisted, but I kindof thought the same thing for a moment.
Bill is an amazingly calm guy, I could not image what he might be able to unleash if he got pissed off or needed to defend himself though.
I'd recommend not getting out of control or out of line around Bill.
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Bri , I think the confusion comes in here.
I can apreciate that there are a million morons there and you have to keep some kind of control over it. I think Steve and I see eye to eye on that although he cant straight up say it because thats not the "Club" thing to say.
Where we part ways is that from my point of view , him and the rest of the "MARshals" are all grouped into the same category. I dont know them any better then I know the rest , and a cute little jacket surely isnt gonna do it for me. I see a dude carrying in the open I gotta imediately wonder how many screws he has loose and therefore dont respect him in the least. In fact , he goes to the top of the list of the morons in a quick like fashion and I am definately thinking I need to watch them for stupidity that can directly affect me. Having that many trucks in the woods in close proximity is bad enough. Its fairly common to see people with ego problems in and amongst these groups at these events but ussually its displayed in ways other then a side arm. When you ad the side arm to the regular bullshit its just too much for my little mind to fathom.
By the way , from this post it kinda sounds like I am opposed to guns. I am not. In fact , I carry a gun on every single one of our trips. If I came to MAR I would damn sure have it. The difference is. No one would ever know it was there with me unless something went bad wrong.
Seems to me that if you are a fed you certainly have more gun control then me. Seems like you would have some place in your truck to lock your shit up. I mean , you stated you have a 6 year old. Cmon and admit it Steve , packing that pistol in the open is just like a guy showing up with a new super slinky truck. You want to brandish that shit and get some "Respect". Just like ole "Bush Viper"
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I can apreciate that there are a million morons there and you have to keep some kind of control over it. I think Steve and I see eye to eye on that although he cant straight up say it because thats not the "Club" thing to say.
Where we part ways is that from my point of view , him and the rest of the "MARshals" are all grouped into the same category. I dont know them any better then I know the rest , and a cute little jacket surely isnt gonna do it for me. I see a dude carrying in the open I gotta imediately wonder how many screws he has loose and therefore dont respect him in the least. In fact , he goes to the top of the list of the morons in a quick like fashion and I am definately thinking I need to watch them for stupidity that can directly affect me. Having that many trucks in the woods in close proximity is bad enough. Its fairly common to see people with ego problems in and amongst these groups at these events but ussually its displayed in ways other then a side arm. When you ad the side arm to the regular bullshit its just too much for my little mind to fathom.
By the way , from this post it kinda sounds like I am opposed to guns. I am not. In fact , I carry a gun on every single one of our trips. If I came to MAR I would damn sure have it. The difference is. No one would ever know it was there with me unless something went bad wrong.
Seems to me that if you are a fed you certainly have more gun control then me. Seems like you would have some place in your truck to lock your shit up. I mean , you stated you have a 6 year old. Cmon and admit it Steve , packing that pistol in the open is just like a guy showing up with a new super slinky truck. You want to brandish that shit and get some "Respect". Just like ole "Bush Viper"
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Kyle- I'd never brandish a weapon. It's not me- that's not what I do. I admit it was a mistake to hang my jacket on the truck and therefore expose the piece. There was a recovery going on that closed the trail and I went up to check on it- mainly to see if the trail needed to be modified to keep it open and passable.
This year we have better ways of marking the vehicles and people working the event so that won't be so much of an issue. Legal carry of firearms in VA does allow business and land owners to request that no firearms be carried exposed or concealed (with permit, of course). It has not been discussed that ROAV make the request- which would be legally binding, BTW. It is understood that many people, especially VA residents, are probably carrying- but that's true of everyday life.
I don't have a gun safe in my truck- that is the reason it doesn't leave my side. What my 6 year old has to do with any of that is beyond me.
This year we have better ways of marking the vehicles and people working the event so that won't be so much of an issue. Legal carry of firearms in VA does allow business and land owners to request that no firearms be carried exposed or concealed (with permit, of course). It has not been discussed that ROAV make the request- which would be legally binding, BTW. It is understood that many people, especially VA residents, are probably carrying- but that's true of everyday life.
I don't have a gun safe in my truck- that is the reason it doesn't leave my side. What my 6 year old has to do with any of that is beyond me.
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Well this just goes around and around. So let me ask you this. I dont know you , you dont know me. Lets say you are making your way through one of the MAR traffic jams and you come acrost me winching , spotting , hanging out , whatever. And I am doing it with my 1911 on my side. What are you instantly going to think ? Are you going to think that is rational because its the safest place for the gun ? Safest for who exactly ? You mention that because they are VA residents they will more then likely be carrying. Should they all strap it on and take it out of hiding because its the safest place for it ? Is that not a frightening thought ?
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I probably don't see it the way most people do, because I'm so used to being around people who carry. I don't react harshly when I see one, although I understand that many people do.
I learned something from last year- aside from how much people enjoy piling on in forums... Like I said, we are taking steps to make MAR Staff easily identifiable both vehicles and individuals. I know that aside from the one firefighter I haven't met yet, none of the Marshals will carry anything but trail maintenance tools and first aid equipment.
I know I'll have my kid's BB gun in my truck since he asked to try it out before the rally starts... but whether I have anything else depends on other factors not related to MAR.
Believe me, I understand your point.
For the people that do have firearms, it stresses me out to think that most people just stuff 'em under the seat. They probably also drink alcohol. The only time I drank alcohol was when the piece was in my camper, locked in a briefcase. I had a single drink the whole rally last year- unarmed. I don't know that most people who carry can/will control themselves the way I do. But now it ventures into a whole discussion about gun control and other stuff that really apply to more than just a single event- but daily life.
I've worked security management for events with 300,000 people- never had a complaint till last year and it was a misunderstanding that followed a mistake on my part. Not that the mistake was keeping my weapon with me, but allowing it to be seen.
To answer your question directly- yes, that would be the safest place unless you had a place to secure it from others. An unattended vehicle is not sufficient, IMHO.
I learned something from last year- aside from how much people enjoy piling on in forums... Like I said, we are taking steps to make MAR Staff easily identifiable both vehicles and individuals. I know that aside from the one firefighter I haven't met yet, none of the Marshals will carry anything but trail maintenance tools and first aid equipment.
I know I'll have my kid's BB gun in my truck since he asked to try it out before the rally starts... but whether I have anything else depends on other factors not related to MAR.
Believe me, I understand your point.
For the people that do have firearms, it stresses me out to think that most people just stuff 'em under the seat. They probably also drink alcohol. The only time I drank alcohol was when the piece was in my camper, locked in a briefcase. I had a single drink the whole rally last year- unarmed. I don't know that most people who carry can/will control themselves the way I do. But now it ventures into a whole discussion about gun control and other stuff that really apply to more than just a single event- but daily life.
I've worked security management for events with 300,000 people- never had a complaint till last year and it was a misunderstanding that followed a mistake on my part. Not that the mistake was keeping my weapon with me, but allowing it to be seen.
To answer your question directly- yes, that would be the safest place unless you had a place to secure it from others. An unattended vehicle is not sufficient, IMHO.
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I know I will get flamed for this, but I don't care.
10-4 on all that Kyle, you will not get an disagreement from me. I too have nothing against guns, but would never carry them when I am spotting or needed to provide medical assistance to anyone including a child. In fact I do not take them on group 4x4 outings, gatherings and certainly not a party, which it sounds like MAR is all of the above. Not that I would not feel comfortable doing so, I just do not see the need and cannot justify the risk that something bad might happen that might be out of my control. I also do not see my gun as a method of defense in such a situation.
Out by myself or with close friends in the wilderness or at my ranch were big ass kickin' critters are, you bet I will be carrying.
I also find it strange, that a large event does not have some policy about participants having guns. That is why I posted my thoughts. Maybe it is because it is a private event, dunno. Maybe because they don't care? maybe because they trust participants or would lose participants. Doesn't matter to me, I won't be there.
Personally, I do not think that guns are appropriate for such a gathering and it seems to me that a large organized gathering like this would be better off if participants were recommended to leave their guns at home. Just my opinion, likely nothing bad will happen, but it would just seem less of a liability for the organization.
I do have something against booze and guns and people that get out of control. I cannot tell you the scarey situations I have RAN away from that seem innocent enough. People drinking and showing off their guns for example. Many just forget about how to handle a deadly weapon, show them off in crowds and so on and so forth. I have seen some scarey ass shit at gun stores, gun shows, parties, etc. I avoid these situations like the plague and if I end up in one I usually duck and run. Fortunately, at my age I am good at avoiding and thus will not be at MAR. If someday I do end up there, I have already decided which of my friends will be riding "shotgun" though.
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Brian
PS: Kyle, in no way meant to put any words in your mouth. Sorry if it came accross that way when I posted.
10-4 on all that Kyle, you will not get an disagreement from me. I too have nothing against guns, but would never carry them when I am spotting or needed to provide medical assistance to anyone including a child. In fact I do not take them on group 4x4 outings, gatherings and certainly not a party, which it sounds like MAR is all of the above. Not that I would not feel comfortable doing so, I just do not see the need and cannot justify the risk that something bad might happen that might be out of my control. I also do not see my gun as a method of defense in such a situation.
Out by myself or with close friends in the wilderness or at my ranch were big ass kickin' critters are, you bet I will be carrying.
I also find it strange, that a large event does not have some policy about participants having guns. That is why I posted my thoughts. Maybe it is because it is a private event, dunno. Maybe because they don't care? maybe because they trust participants or would lose participants. Doesn't matter to me, I won't be there.
Personally, I do not think that guns are appropriate for such a gathering and it seems to me that a large organized gathering like this would be better off if participants were recommended to leave their guns at home. Just my opinion, likely nothing bad will happen, but it would just seem less of a liability for the organization.
I do have something against booze and guns and people that get out of control. I cannot tell you the scarey situations I have RAN away from that seem innocent enough. People drinking and showing off their guns for example. Many just forget about how to handle a deadly weapon, show them off in crowds and so on and so forth. I have seen some scarey ass shit at gun stores, gun shows, parties, etc. I avoid these situations like the plague and if I end up in one I usually duck and run. Fortunately, at my age I am good at avoiding and thus will not be at MAR. If someday I do end up there, I have already decided which of my friends will be riding "shotgun" though.
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Brian
PS: Kyle, in no way meant to put any words in your mouth. Sorry if it came accross that way when I posted.
""I don't have a gun safe in my truck- that is the reason it doesn't leave my side. What my 6 year old has to do with any of that is beyond me."" Steve if your kid sees that gun hanging around on your coat pocket or where ever pants ect. , you will no longer have a kid...GET IT?? SECOND THAT MOTION BRI..STEVE GET A gun safe . 1+1=2 Last time I checked this is not rocket science. I do not even have children and now I fear for those who are bringing their little ones to MAR.
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Ahhh , ok , now we are getting somewhere Steve. Now I can make my point and the reason the thread goes on and on. You know who you are and what you are and are not capable of. YOU think your a nice guy and Garrett thinks you are a "Tool". Its all perception . So think about that last post of mine and think about how people are.
This is no different then the leash conversation or the dog conversation. One year a guy sees another guy has brought his dog , so the following year he brings his and so on and so on. So some dumb ass sees you out there strapped and he figures its ok and the "Cool" thing to do so next thing ya know there he is with some abomination hanging off his hip or shoulder. Now you dont want to see him out there packing anymore then I would want to see you out there packing , and the possibility increases each time someone does it. You know damn well people dont use good common sense alot of the time and they dont need any influence that will lead them to stupidity .
The same goes for the booze and all that other crap. For the most part people dont want to go out on a limb and be the outsider. Accept for Garret and his gay tendencies but he might have Rob to play with this year so they shouldnt be a problem.
A true leader just always ends up in front , lead by example.....
Kyle
This is no different then the leash conversation or the dog conversation. One year a guy sees another guy has brought his dog , so the following year he brings his and so on and so on. So some dumb ass sees you out there strapped and he figures its ok and the "Cool" thing to do so next thing ya know there he is with some abomination hanging off his hip or shoulder. Now you dont want to see him out there packing anymore then I would want to see you out there packing , and the possibility increases each time someone does it. You know damn well people dont use good common sense alot of the time and they dont need any influence that will lead them to stupidity .
The same goes for the booze and all that other crap. For the most part people dont want to go out on a limb and be the outsider. Accept for Garret and his gay tendencies but he might have Rob to play with this year so they shouldnt be a problem.
A true leader just always ends up in front , lead by example.....
Kyle
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For some reason I started thinking about Andy Griffith re-runs while reading thru this thread.
Otis: Booze
Andy: Kyle
Barney: Steve Y.
Aunt B.: Bri
Gomer: Garrett
Earnest T. Bass: Cardboard Paul
There is a time and a place for everything.....
Otis: Booze
Andy: Kyle
Barney: Steve Y.
Aunt B.: Bri
Gomer: Garrett
Earnest T. Bass: Cardboard Paul
There is a time and a place for everything.....
I know I'll have my kid's BB gun in my truck since he asked to try it out before the rally starts... but whether I have anything else depends on other factors not related to MAR.
Okay I finally had to say something. What factors could possibly make you feel the need to bring a gun to a family event? My kid is having a birthday party, the clown might get out of hand do I need a gun? (that was sarcasm) But seriously I grew up around guns so I have respect for them. I can never think of one time in my life when a gun would have made a positive difference on the outcome. Are they fun to shoot, yes at a range, right to bear arms in the commonwealth of Virginia I am all for it. I just can't figure why you would need to bring it.
Personally I will have a Keg at my campsite, and I plan to use it, but not use it and drive. So please don't flash the steel at me, I just might pour you a beer.
Steve Andrews are we going to camp together again, that was a blast last year. I've got a few more people coming up with us.
And closing Steve Young as I am a member of ROAV, I think it would just be easier to say I do not plan on bringing my weapon and leave it at that. If you bring it and nobody sees it then who cares, if we don't know. Sounds to me nobody would have been wiser had it not have been for you removing your jacket.
I also think the Marshalls are well spotted with bright jackets and lettering over their vehicles. It is a little weird the Freelander presence, and I would love to Marshall, I just know that I would start partying and have to do the marshalling from the camp site.
Kyle why so anti-social, why not meet the gang, It is fun to put faces to names from dweb.
Okay I finally had to say something. What factors could possibly make you feel the need to bring a gun to a family event? My kid is having a birthday party, the clown might get out of hand do I need a gun? (that was sarcasm) But seriously I grew up around guns so I have respect for them. I can never think of one time in my life when a gun would have made a positive difference on the outcome. Are they fun to shoot, yes at a range, right to bear arms in the commonwealth of Virginia I am all for it. I just can't figure why you would need to bring it.
Personally I will have a Keg at my campsite, and I plan to use it, but not use it and drive. So please don't flash the steel at me, I just might pour you a beer.
Steve Andrews are we going to camp together again, that was a blast last year. I've got a few more people coming up with us.
And closing Steve Young as I am a member of ROAV, I think it would just be easier to say I do not plan on bringing my weapon and leave it at that. If you bring it and nobody sees it then who cares, if we don't know. Sounds to me nobody would have been wiser had it not have been for you removing your jacket.
I also think the Marshalls are well spotted with bright jackets and lettering over their vehicles. It is a little weird the Freelander presence, and I would love to Marshall, I just know that I would start partying and have to do the marshalling from the camp site.
Kyle why so anti-social, why not meet the gang, It is fun to put faces to names from dweb.
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draaronr said:
Same place as last year. Remind whomever had the "shaker" game to not forget to bring it again.
Ho - that would be groovy. Then you could help me hook up the stuff I bought today.
damn, just checked the dates for MAR.
aaron, perhaps next time.
steve, it was a heavy package to handle.
aaron, perhaps next time.
steve, it was a heavy package to handle.
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Don't worry the steel won't come out- it's not there for that. It's nearly inconceivable that there would be a life or death situation at an event like this. People can call me a tool all they want when they don't know me. I'd still spend all night wrenching on the guy's truck if he needed my help and I'd still risk my life to save his if he needed it.
Melissa- my kid has never seen my pistol outside of on my belt. He has never had access to it. I'm his stepfather and his biological father is an active police officer and the same deal when he's with him. It's second nature to him. Like I said, the safest place is on me or secured at home. Leaving it at home may not be an option depending on circumstances unrelated to MAR. Before MAR, I plan to let my kid try a BB gun out in the field somewhere- it's a right of passage for a kid, isn't it?
The Freelander presence with the volunteers is because they are a more responsive group when it comes to the requests placed on the ROAV site, DiscoWeb and my site. There are also some very well qualified medical professionals that drive them. There's three Discos and a D90 that belong to volunteers as well. I asked for volunteers... I don't judge people by what they drive.
If anyone has EMT training or other relevant medical training or at minimum CPR/First Aid training *and* proper recovery experience, I'd be happy to hear from you about making your services available to others during the event.
Melissa- my kid has never seen my pistol outside of on my belt. He has never had access to it. I'm his stepfather and his biological father is an active police officer and the same deal when he's with him. It's second nature to him. Like I said, the safest place is on me or secured at home. Leaving it at home may not be an option depending on circumstances unrelated to MAR. Before MAR, I plan to let my kid try a BB gun out in the field somewhere- it's a right of passage for a kid, isn't it?
The Freelander presence with the volunteers is because they are a more responsive group when it comes to the requests placed on the ROAV site, DiscoWeb and my site. There are also some very well qualified medical professionals that drive them. There's three Discos and a D90 that belong to volunteers as well. I asked for volunteers... I don't judge people by what they drive.
If anyone has EMT training or other relevant medical training or at minimum CPR/First Aid training *and* proper recovery experience, I'd be happy to hear from you about making your services available to others during the event.
damn dan.......that was my CB handle in highschool.....Gomer. funny you say that. haha. and kyle.....come on. no need to bring Rob into this. he is so young and innocent to all this. and besides....he has a white truck like you. so virginal. but at least he will have a decent bumper and rack setup.
Maryland Steve,
Leave Cardboard Paul out of this. Sounds like MAR is turning into a WHO concert and is about to get out of control. Have fun and be safe man.
Leave Cardboard Paul out of this. Sounds like MAR is turning into a WHO concert and is about to get out of control. Have fun and be safe man.