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RETROV

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RovinAround said:
Some of those DLP's have damn nice picture!! And don't have the heat issues associated with an LCD or Plas. I've considered one of those, simply for the reason you stated...more bang for your buck!

I've noticed that the DLP image versus Plasma picture detail is minimal. My sister-in-law bought her BF a 42" DLP a year ago for his birthday and I can't tell a diff between my Plasma and his DLP. I think the only place you'd notice is side-by-side in the store.

The Plasmas do get hot, but that way I don't need a fire in the winter ;)
 

RETROV

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The other thing with these that I haven't seen mentioned is unless you've got HD dish, HD antenna, or HD DVD player, all the picture quality talk is for not. (I don't have a game unit, but maybe they make a diff with those too. My game unit is my Rover.)
 

gmookher

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1- I uses a sony HD DVD with HDMI out
2- My PS3 is the HDMI Blue ray player
3- Pioneer plasma out shines my samsung plasma, and I've returned both a toshiba and a sony in favor of Pioneer plasma 42". Plasma trumps the LCDs TVs I own any day all day
 

champana

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I have 3 plasmas. A 52" Toshiba w/ HD Tuner (This is really nice b/c it decodes most HD/ Digital Cable signals w/ o paying for the service or having a set top box), a 42" Samsung which has an incredible picture, and a Hitachi that has been running nearly 24/7 for 7 years at the office w/ no bulb trouble. The one thing I don't like too much abouth them is the heat they produce. Other than that, no problemo. I've had several LCDs crap out. One was a 48" Samsung the other was about a 15" Aquos. Whatever you do, buy one with the PC card slot on the back. The next gen set top box will be a card you plug into the TV. This will eliminate the box sitting on the dresser and the cables you have to run between them. Happy hunting.
 

gmookher

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RovinAround said:
hey mook...any noticible difference between the ps3 and the HDDVD?

Ya know I have been meaning to hit blockbuster and play the same movie at the same time and switch to do a real A vs B comparision but I have yet to. Tonite seems to be a good a night as any- I'll reply back tomorrow with some feedback.
 

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RETROV said:
The other thing with these that I haven't seen mentioned is unless you've got HD dish, HD antenna, or HD DVD player, all the picture quality talk is for not.

I have to disagree a bit here...

My in-laws bought a 720p 42" Vizio (Sams club special around 800 bucks.) For a short while, they were hooked up to dish network with HD pkg. Honestly, for 720, I was impressed with the picture. They have since downgraded to the local cable company with a SD feed (RG6QS feeding box, composite cables feeding the LCD). The picture is still really nice. Of course it's not as crisp of a picture as with a DVD now, but damn... it's still pretty nice...and IMHO, its a better picture than the "flat tube" sets on the market...

I have to admit though..there is a noticable difference in the picture for the football games :ack:
 

RETROV

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champana said:
I have 3 plasmas. A 52" Toshiba w/ HD Tuner (This is really nice b/c it decodes most HD/ Digital Cable signals w/ o paying for the service or having a set top box), a 42" Samsung which has an incredible picture, and a Hitachi that has been running nearly 24/7 for 7 years at the office w/ no bulb trouble. The one thing I don't like too much abouth them is the heat they produce. Other than that, no problemo. I've had several LCDs crap out. One was a 48" Samsung the other was about a 15" Aquos. Whatever you do, buy one with the PC card slot on the back. The next gen set top box will be a card you plug into the TV. This will eliminate the box sitting on the dresser and the cables you have to run between them. Happy hunting.

What's this set top box you're talking about? I may just have it built in or something and don't know. I have an HD plasma and run an HD antenna and pick up all local HD stations. Do you mean for running dish?
 

RovinAround

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RETROV said:
What's this set top box you're talking about? I may just have it built in or something and don't know. I have an HD plasma and run an HD antenna and pick up all local HD stations. Do you mean for running dish?

If my mind serves me correctly..some of the earlier HD's didn't have the converter built in..they were "HD capable" .vs "HD ready" being plug and play..so to speak.
 

RETROV

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RovinAround said:
I have to disagree a bit here...

My in-laws bought a 720p 42" Vizio (Sams club special around 800 bucks.) For a short while, they were hooked up to dish network with HD pkg. Honestly, for 720, I was impressed with the picture. They have since downgraded to the local cable company with a SD feed (RG6QS feeding box, composite cables feeding the LCD). The picture is still really nice. Of course it's not as crisp of a picture as with a DVD now, but damn... it's still pretty nice...and IMHO, its a better picture than the "flat tube" sets on the market...

I have to admit though..there is a noticable difference in the picture for the football games :ack:

Well yes, any of these are awesome compared to tube junk. LCD is great and cheap, which is nice. But to really get the full effect out of a Plasma, you have to get an HD signal. I even played around with mine switching from standard to HD signal and on the plasma I noticed a huge difference.
 

RETROV

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RovinAround said:
If my mind serves me correctly..some of the earlier HD's didn't have the converter built in..they were "HD capable" .vs "HD ready" being plug and play..so to speak.

Ahhh, the converter for HD. Mine is HD ready, so that's why I'm a 'tard about the set top box subject.
 

az_max

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It's all personal choice, really. I'm still a DLP guy. Plasmas requre a darkened room as the front glass is reflective. DLPs and LCDs can have a less reflective screen and LCDs are recommended for bright rooms. If you can get an indirect light source behind the TV, you can help the viewing experience. (crazy, I know) Some of the high end hang-on-the-wall sets have ambient lights built in.

I'd look for one with a serial control port (but I do home control stuff around my house). If it has CableCard, you can save on digital cable box rentals (even if cox still charges to rent you the card to go into the tv). Almost everything sold now has an HD (ATSC) tuner built in. If it doesn't, law requires a big disclaimer sticker on it.
 

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BTW, my main TV is a 43" HD 4:3 rear tube projector. I'm not giving it up until it's dead, dead, dead. I'd need larger than a 60" 16:9 to get the same size pic on 4:3 broadcasts.
 

kennith

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RovinAround said:
Go LCD, not plasma. As of my last research, if one of the plasma bulbs go out, you're basically screwed. Plasmas are lit by rows of little bulbs along the top and bottom of the screen. If one of the bulbs go out, you're stuck with a vertical blue line that is not repairable. LCD's however are lit with 3 bulbs, that are replacable. LCD's are brighter, and also feature the anti-glare screens. I'd wait a couple more months before buying one. The prices are expected to continue to drop. You can pick up a 1080p 42" LCD for around $2K. Sony's are rapidly dropping in price...and their quality, well, is easy to see! Phillips are also great. Most of your higher end equipment manufacturers use Phillips components...including bulbs, heat diffusers, and component video contrast and blend controller boards. Let me also advise you not to purchase at walmart, sams club, costco..or the like. if you need warranty work, you cant take it to the store...you'll have to ship it out on your own. I've had the best luck with Best Buy. Circut city always seems to be higher...but the staff know's their stuff, and post sale customer support is grerat.

Best of luck, hope this helps!
~Rovin

what?

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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Plasma screen are, in fact, lit by each "pixel", which is made up of 3 glass capsules containing an exitable gas. Electricity is applied to the capsules to produce color.

Plasmas posess far superior contrast ratios and color temperature across the range of their display ability. As a matter of fact, The Pioneed Kuro plasma is still the king of television.

LCD televisions use florescent backlights that leak through the open, twisted, and closed pixels, defeating black levels, which affects their contrast. They also tend to color whites. These two things combined affect their color reproduction. Nevermind the fact that even the new 120hz models suffer from motion problems on any fast moving scene in a movie. Adding frames in an LCD helps a bit, but it doesn't solve the problem. People don't understand refresh rate, and that's why these things just seem like good ideas to everyone.

If you have a Kuro TV, and The Pioneer Elite player, you get something special. doubled 24 fps playback. Every frame shown twice. Why is that special? It's the way movies are played in the theatre. It's the best way to watch movies in HD.

120hz messes things up, you only have to watch some fast moving scenes on an LCD right beside a plasma to see it. The stores don't calibrate any of the sets right, and that's why the lcds pop and the plasmas look dull. Set the up properly, and the color capability of a plasma will flat out drain the blood from your face. The difference between what you see in the store and what you get after setting it up is greater than night and day.

Recently, a 720p plasma even won out in a test against a bunch of 1080p tvs of other types. Of course, this wasn't in consumer reports, either. It was in a real home theater magazine.

Now, LCDs have their place. If you have kids around, they are less likely to be damaged from knocks and nerf balls and things. On top of that, Plasmas have trouble at high altitudes, like airplane high. Plasmas also are extremly heavy compared to an LCD, so if you plan to move them at all, you had better be fairly strong. And the biggest drawback is the size. You can only get them from a certain size up. Used to be 40 inches, but it has probably changed.

LCD televisions are also marginally cheaper, since more store brands are available. They are getting better, but they are no plasma, and I don't think they ever will be. There is nothing wrong with buying one, but don't say that plasmas are bad becasue you read it on the internet.

People are spending thousands on these things, and you don't want to give them the wrong information.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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az_max said:
It's all personal choice, really. I'm still a DLP guy. Plasmas requre a darkened room as the front glass is reflective. DLPs and LCDs can have a less reflective screen and LCDs are recommended for bright rooms. If you can get an indirect light source behind the TV, you can help the viewing experience. (crazy, I know) Some of the high end hang-on-the-wall sets have ambient lights built in.

I'd look for one with a serial control port (but I do home control stuff around my house). If it has CableCard, you can save on digital cable box rentals (even if cox still charges to rent you the card to go into the tv). Almost everything sold now has an HD (ATSC) tuner built in. If it doesn't, law requires a big disclaimer sticker on it.

They don't require a darkened room anymore than a tube does. And most of the LCDs being cranked out for the new model year have reflective screens as well.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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gmookher said:
Ya know I have been meaning to hit blockbuster and play the same movie at the same time and switch to do a real A vs B comparision but I have yet to. Tonite seems to be a good a night as any- I'll reply back tomorrow with some feedback.

Doesn't matter anymore, haha. Those Sony bastards won the format war. It's all Blu now.

Cheers,

Kennith
 

kennith

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RETROV said:
The other thing with these that I haven't seen mentioned is unless you've got HD dish, HD antenna, or HD DVD player, all the picture quality talk is for not. (I don't have a game unit, but maybe they make a diff with those too. My game unit is my Rover.)

Or a Blu ray player. Not the same as HDDVD. And all players are not equal in the Bluray camp. You have to know your stuff to buy a good one. For example, how much do you like good sound? There are new lossless formats now, and if one piece is wrong, even a cable, everything defaults back to the old formats.

Cheers,

Kennith
 
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R_Lefebvre

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Personally, I notice a huge difference even watching SD TV on my HD set, compared to watching the same thing through any regular TV.

I think the reason is I have satellite, and my reciever upconverts the signal and transmits it digitally through HDMI to the TV which processes it digitally. I have no analog anywhere in the system. Ditto my upconverting DVD player.

That's a key point, as I notice a huge picture quality difference anytime you have analog conversion in the system. The worst is when you have a reciever or DVD player doing D/A conversion, transmitting through component cables, and then you have a digital TV which does an A/D conversion back to digital so that it can work with the picutre. That's just dumb.