1990 Camel Trophy D110...
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This is probably one of those things that if you go about it the right way, its denied. You circumvent the right importation way, and you can get it registered. This is a bureacracy, stop complaining about it and figure out which hoops to avoid and which papers to fill out.
Instead of pissing and moaning that 'He got a D110, and I want one! Waaa! No one can have one!' Just be happy someone is keeping the CT truck alive. Wish him luck at getting it registered and not 'crushed' as is the term that likes to be used.
Just out of curiousity, Jaime, how long ago was it that you moved back and were told no to your vehicle?
Instead of pissing and moaning that 'He got a D110, and I want one! Waaa! No one can have one!' Just be happy someone is keeping the CT truck alive. Wish him luck at getting it registered and not 'crushed' as is the term that likes to be used.
Just out of curiousity, Jaime, how long ago was it that you moved back and were told no to your vehicle?
ptschram
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I bet it has a VIN of something other than a '90 110.
It could be here legally, but only for 36 months, IF the owner had other than a US passport.
It could be here for 24 months IF it were here for other than road use and a bond were posted.
Very grey.
It could be here legally, but only for 36 months, IF the owner had other than a US passport.
It could be here for 24 months IF it were here for other than road use and a bond were posted.
Very grey.
ptschram
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stevenmd said:
Not legally by a US citizen.
It appears to have an odd VIN and by the VIN, it's an '87.
ptschram said:
I noticed that too, but isn't "G" a '86 though? Still doesn't make it old enough to slip by the 25 year old exception.
A further breakdown for those who are wondering what I'm talking about:
VIN: SALLDHMB8GA408534
SAL - England, Manufacturer Land Rover
LDHMB - Vehicle Descriptor Section
A - Check character
G - Year of Manufacture, 1986
A - Final Assembly Plant
408534 - Vehicle Serial #
VIN: SALLDHMB8GA408534
SAL - England, Manufacturer Land Rover
LDHMB - Vehicle Descriptor Section
A - Check character
G - Year of Manufacture, 1986
A - Final Assembly Plant
408534 - Vehicle Serial #
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ptschram
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lordkenyon said:
Yeah, either way, it is not VINed correctly for a '90. Something's been done that's fishy.
I wouldn't want to pay that much money for something whose provenance can't be proven.
ptschram said:
I think so too. I thought the check sum was still valid for VINs from across the pond, but this one doesn't add up. I know it's been mandatory here, and widely used by foreign makes but maybe not required:
How to verify the Check Character (sorry if this doesn't line up as a chart)
______ 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17
Line A: S A L L D H M B _ G A 4 0 8 5 3 4
Line B: 2 1 3 3 4 8 4 2 _ 7 1 4 0 8 5 3 4
Line C: 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 10 _ 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2
Line D 16 7 18 15 16 24 8 20 0 63 8 28 0 40 20 9 8 = 300/11=27R3
The check character (#9 of VIN) would normally be a 3, not 8. Weird.
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sean said:
Precisely.
And I'd really hate to hear the news that while you might be able to get it titled and even registered, I'd think your insurance company would drop you like third period French if you were ever in a wreck. Doing a VIN swap seems to just ooze liability in my mind.
ptschram
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Justin Kurosaki said:You should be able to get it cheap. Its a flood vehicle
Years ago, I bid on one of the D-90s that were used in the last Camel where short wheelbases were used before they swapped over to Rangies, then Discos. (Borneo in '86? I forget....) Anyway, R. J. Reynolds was selling it off on sealed bids at their headquarters at Winston-Salem. You could get in it, start it up, but they wouldn't let you drive it or work the winch.
I opened up all the reservoirs to check for "mayonaise" but it had been well-serviced by the folks at RJR. However, there was a high-water mark inside one of the driving lights on the roof rack. Salt water, apparently....
The VIN issue got discussed and cleared here: http://www.d-90.com/forum/showthread.php?t=12328&page=2
HTH!
HTH!
MonLand said:
Intersting. Ran it through the Clifton Rover Site and came up with this:
SAL Manufacturer code: Land Rover
LD Model: Defender (for early models: Ninety, or One Ten)
H Wheel base: 110 inch
M Body type: 4-door station wagon (LWB)
B Engine type: 2.5 litre diesel turbo (model 19J)
8 Steering and transmission: Left-hand drive (LHD), 5-speed manual (LT85, LT77, LT77S, R380 or other)
G Model year: 1990
A Assembly location: Solihull, UK
408534 Serial number
moved back in March.
I already knew mine was illegal as it was a 2003 vs a 1993.
coming from Brasil, we could have gotten a 1993 110 VIN from many donors that would have shown it was a "modified; updated" 1993 110 when brought over and have it sent to a RI, yet, I didn't.
it just is too risky at least for me.
about as far as I want to stretch the meaning of the law is to have my "restored" 1967 109 registered as an antique.
it just irkes me to see someone proclaim it as all legal and such when it isn't.
Jaime
ptschram
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Blueboy said:
You wouldn't have had to use a RI as the vehicle would have been of the '93 vintage and could have been directly imported, just like a 25 year-old truck. Edit-your customs agent would have reported it as a '93 eligible for importation without federalizing.
But, it wouldn't have been legal as it would have been a Ship of Theseus scam.
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PT,
my understanding is it still has to go through a RI to bring a non-USA vehicle up to the code of 1993.
small example is speedo to mph vs km.
shit like that.
the main problem is current RIs don't want to work on LRs and some of the ones who say "well, ok" don't know what they are doing.
I did a few e-mails with Skytop in Phila and he was concerned if the part numbers of a Brasilian 110 would match the NAS one before he would certify it.
that is stretching it a little in my mind.
keep that '93 VIN though - you never know!
Jaime
my understanding is it still has to go through a RI to bring a non-USA vehicle up to the code of 1993.
small example is speedo to mph vs km.
shit like that.
the main problem is current RIs don't want to work on LRs and some of the ones who say "well, ok" don't know what they are doing.
I did a few e-mails with Skytop in Phila and he was concerned if the part numbers of a Brasilian 110 would match the NAS one before he would certify it.
that is stretching it a little in my mind.
keep that '93 VIN though - you never know!
Jaime