What makes the RTE mounting fundamentally better than the ARB?

[R_Lefebvre]

I just want to preface this discussion by stating my understanding of the "tweaking" issue of the ARB bumpers has a lot more to do with the bumper mountings slipping on the frame horns than it is to do with the crush cans actually tweaking. That's what I've read elsewhere, if somebody has factual evidence of the crush cans actually bending, I'd love to see it.

The ARB is held on with 4 bolts through the factory frame horns. I believe the attachments at the ARB end are slotted to adjust the fit. The bolts are close set and in the same plane. This is a weak bolting arrangement.

I've seen photos of the DI ARB bumper, and it appears to have a 3rd set of bolts behind the front two, which help prevent the bar from twisting. The DII frame precludes this because it has some cross-members welded up immediately behind the front two holes.

I've finally seen a picture of an un-mounted RTE, and it's not *that* much different than the ARB. I expected to see some large reinforcing protrusion which bolts somewhere back on the frame to resist torsional loads but.. nothing.

I do see that each mount has an extra ear which wraps underneath each frame horn and there is an extra bolt which goes up through the frame. I imagine you have to drill a hole? Is that it? Just that single extra vertical bolt is what makes this bumper so much better?

Is that it or am I missing anything else?

 

[emmodg]

Oooooooooooooooh boy....

 

[jhmover]

opcorn:

 

[sven]

Insert dead horse beating pic here

 

[JustAddMtns]

opcorn:
________
PERSONALITY DISORDER FORUMS

 

[peter sherman]

just want to preface this discussion by stating. In oreder to have a discussion, you actually need someone else thats willing discuss.

 

[flyfisher11]

Insert dead horse beating pic here

:deadhorse:

 

[emmodg]

The johnson rods located within the internal compensators of the ARB bumper are less resistant to torquification and emancipation due to their over-whelming inclination to stressify. This presents a problem with the mountification of the bumper to vehicle.

 

[brianhoberg]

Steve Young makes it stronger.

 

[mountenn]

Bumper Threads :biggun:

 

[rovercanus]

Let's rephrase the question. Why does ARB make such a sucky bumper?
And another. Why haven't you driven your Fuckus off a cliff?

 

[Flightrisk]

RTE=Mall Rovers and Latte Fetchers

ARB=Ture offroad and Outback tested

...um right? :hammer:

 

[mountenn]

RTE=Mall Rovers and Latte Fetchers

ARB=Ture offroad and Outback tested

...um right?

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Hey, I'm looking for input from some of the people who are able to have a mature technical discussion based on fact, such as AntiChrist, etc.

The rest of you guys with less than two brain cells to rub together can just fuck off. If you can't understand what I wrote, don't feel the need to advertise your stupidity by posting useless drivel here.

This post is intended to be a discussion at a higher level than the typical "ARB sucks, RTE is the best, Yo!" I understand those threads are quite common, but that is not the intent of this one. I guess the big words must have gotten you all confused.

 

[mountenn]

Hey, I'm looking for input...blah blah blah, worthless drivel, blah blah blah...big words must have gotten you all confused.

Wow. Anger issues? What would your therapist tell you to do in a situation such as this?

 

[rovercanus]

Wow. Anger issues? What would your therapist tell you to do in a situation such as this?

He would say, "Why haven't you driven your Fuckus off a cliff?".

 

[flyfisher11]

ARB=stamped, thin steel, not boxed

RTE=not stamped, hand made, thicker steel, fully boxed (synergy)

 

[antichrist]

Hey, I'm looking for input from some of the people who are able to have a mature technical discussion based on fact, such as AntiChrist, etc.

Oh great, now I'm mature.
I knew I shouldn't have let my beard grow again.

I can't offer any comment, aside from the above, because I've never seriously looked at either bumper.

nyah nyah nyah
(hopefully that puts the maturity comment to rest)

 

[R_Lefebvre]

ARB=stamped, thin steel, not boxed

RTE=not stamped, hand made, thicker steel, fully boxed (synergy)

I'm just talking about the mountings here, not the construction. The only clear technical info I've ever read about what is really moving on the ARB is that it's the mountings, not the bumper bending itself.

Look, I'm just trying to brainstorm ideas here on how to make a custom bumper that won't move like the ARB, and I can't see much of a difference between the RTE and the ARB mountings, other than the extra ear and vertical bolt.

 

[mountenn]

Oh great, now I'm mature.
I knew I shouldn't have let my beard grow again.
...nyah nyah nyah
(hopefully that puts the maturity comment to rest)

Don't worry, Tom...we know the truth.