Use of regular gasoline in place of premium?

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pperelman

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I was wondering if you coul use unleaded gasoline in Dico I. I know 4.0 has been desined to run premium to boost HP, but premium is on expensive side nowdays.
I havent tried it, but i want to know what will happen?
thanks... :D
 

Apexdisco

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spend the extra money and put the good stuff in. *at least every other tank.

this topic has been discussed many times in the past. Try a search and see what comes up.
 

Milan

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Well, I tried it and I don't think new valves and/or valvejob would be needed as I never got any valve clatter. No pinging either as the engine has knock sensors. The problem is more the fact that running regular results in an even less power and thus you consume more fuel. So you spend less per liter/gallon but you use more gasoline to go the same distance. The loss of accelleration is especially noticeable. I don't think running regular is worth it but I would not be afraid to use it if nothing else was available. I do use midgrade when those spikes in price hit. Otherwise I stick to premium.
 

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pperelman said:
I was wondering if you coul use unleaded gasoline in Dico I... ...I havent tried it, but i want to know what will happen?
thanks... :D

In the context of this discussion, I assume you are talking about a lower graded gasoline. Running a leaded fuel in your Disco (if you can still find it), will foul out your cats in very quick time. Of course some will say that you don't need them either.

The valve jobs that Koby is refering to are not caused by lack of lead in the fuel.

-Reed
 

Meisterbr?wn

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I can't remember if the manual specifies a particular octane/grade, or just says "Premium", which means different things at different gas stations. At any rate, I beleive the intent of the manual is to use the higest grade, which I do.

Even with as much fuel as these trucks consume, the marginal difference in price isn't worth an additional risk. There will be enough maintenance issues as it is, no reason to add another.
 
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Peter-man99

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I bought my 99 disco in December. In 99 they made both the D1 and D2. I have a D1 with a D2 owner's manual. I don't know if the octane ratings are different in the D1 or D2 but in the D2 manual the rating is 92 Octane. I have been to a couple of service stations where the premium is 91 octane the plus is 89 and the regular (unleaded) is 87. I try to always get the premium even if the exact 92 octane isn't always available.
 

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You have a 99 D1 and the dealer gave you a 99 D2 owners manual???
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Peter-man99

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I almost never use it. I was curious one day while sitting at the gas station and looked it up. For most questions I go with the Rave CD-Rom. And if that still isn't enough I hit DiscoWeb

I was really confused when I first got the car though, because nowhere does it say that its the Disco2 manual vs a Disco1.
 

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Koby, I don't think there's going to be anything bad to the valves, at least if you meant carbon fouling.

I believe GEMS and later engine management employs a knock sensor - so, you can use any grade gasoline; when the sensor detects detonation, the ECU will retard the ignition until it disappears. The engine will become a bit more sluggish, and you'll use your right foot a bit more. Altogether, you won't save much, if anything.

If, however, one or more cylinders in your Disco tend to run lean (e.g., partially clogged injector), it will be at higher risk of detonation damage than the others.
 
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Peter-man99

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It is, in fact a D1. If that is the only model they made in 99 like you believe it is the first time I have heard that.
 
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cmondieyoung

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Higher octane fuels can also result in a loss of cylinder compression over time, too.

I've been running 87 octane for 20,000 miles without any problems... Here's to hoping I won't for another 20,000.
 

Leslie

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Hoo-boy, where to begin.....


Octane retards combustion. Regular 87 octane gas actually has more energy released than premium 93 octane. However, it will detonate sooner. Before computers were involved, the rule of thumb was to run an octane equivelent to your compression: if you were in a car with an 8.5:1 compression ration, you could probably do well on 85 octane, but a 9.1:1 probably needed at least 91 octane. If you still had pinging, signs of early detonation, you move up to a higher octane.

Now that we have computers built into cars, they watch for signs of predetonation, and automatically adjust the timing to prevent knock. So, lots of people thing that it's okay to run whatever fuel they want.

Although the computer can prevent knock, that doesn't mean that the engine is a happy environment then. When the timing is being adjusted to prevent knock because you're running a lower octane than it is set up for, then your mileage goes to pot, and you do end up with a little more unburned fuel in the exhaust (which leads to a quicker deterioration of cats and O2 sensors - not catastrophic, but sooner than it would have been....) and additional soot particles through the exhaust system, too.

The change from 3.9 to 4.0 included changes to the valve specs (aside from the computer changes and loss of a distributor); however, they were too close of a tolerence. It's (usually) fine, as long as all is well. Thing is, if you're the type of person that saves a buck by running mid-grade (or regular) gas in a vehicle designed for premium, you're probably someone who doesn't change your oil as often as you should, either... try to get an extra thousand miles or so out of it before you change it.... That only aggrevates the situation, leading to oil-crud caking onto the pick-up tube in the bottom of the oil pan, etc. etc. And, age (mileage) factors in here... a brand new Rover treated that way won't be as suceptible to problems, as would one that's been around the block "several times" (most heart attack patients are middle-aged or older, right?). So, with time, the valves don't continue to slide as freely as they should....

Not every single person that runs regular grade gas and goes 10k between oil changes is going to need a valve job, and, some very well kept Rovers that have only premium gas and frequent oil changes still need valve jobs. However, usually the behavior matches the diagnosis: running lower-grade fuels and stretching oil changes often leads to having to do a valve job. It's not instantaneous. Don't think "Oh, I've done if for 25k, there's no problem...." This is the kind of problem that takes awhile to build to the point that something has to be done. 50k, 75k, 100k... you may be fine 'til then, maybe not. Keep doing it for over 100k and you either have a vehicle that the tolerances were a bit different so it can handle it, or, it's just a matter of time.

The earlier 3.9 with the distributor seems to tolerate mid-grade in an acceptable fashion over longer periods of time. I still have the wife run premium in hers, though. But with a 4.0, I wouldn't do it, not if I had it to do again. It took over 80k for me to learn the lesson the hard way. It was the post-mortem when things started clicking, the "Bob's your uncle!" moment.....

Hey, it's your vehicle. Run diesel in it, if you want.... don't ever change the oil, if you don't want to..... just make sure that I am not the person to whom you sell your Rover in the future......


IMHO, FWIW, YMMV......



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GregH

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cmondieyoung said:
Higher octane fuels can also result in a loss of cylinder compression over time, too.

I've been running 87 octane for 20,000 miles without any problems... Here's to hoping I won't for another 20,000.

LOLOLOLOLOL!

Your profile name is very appropriate...
 

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PS:

First generation Discoveries were made up through 1998. When the model year rolled over to 1999, Rover was switching over to gear up for making the DII, which came out in mid-99. All of the first-generation Rovers that were left over from '98 after the model year changed, became "1999 SD Discovery"s. If you have a '99 SD, check the build date, and it should be in the latter half of '98. Mine was, as are all of the others I've checked thus far. Prior to '99, the SD was usually the stripped-down base model. Since they were transitioning to the new style and had a lot of the extra stuff to get rid of since it wouldn't work on the D2, the '99 SD usually has a lot more features than previous SD models. Usually has leather instead of cloth, most have heated seats. (However, I have noticed that a lot of the '99SD Rovers didn't come with sunroofs from the factory.)


FWIW.....



-L
 

macklow

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mine runs on low octane

I have a 1995 into which I put only the lowest octane fuel available, 87 locally and 85 when I'm in the mountain states. No apparent valve problems; engine has all its original bits. I have over 180,000 miles on it, the most recent 140,000+ put on by me. I've also been lax about oil changes, sometimes going 5 or 6 thousand miles before changing the oil.

For some reason, I seem to get the best mileage (18+ hwy) mpg from the 85 octane gas. This seems to happen independent of weather and temperature.