Residents vs. Jeepers at Moab
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"I loathe it. I despise it," Laura Roy said as she whirred healthy drinks in a blender at the Peace Train Juice Caf? while hulking vehicles growled by outside the window.
Look who is complaining for the most part: silly ass tree huggers. This is a great event that brings mega-bucks to the town. If the hippies escaping from California can't handle it, they should move.
Look who is complaining for the most part: silly ass tree huggers. This is a great event that brings mega-bucks to the town. If the hippies escaping from California can't handle it, they should move.
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Krawler
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Post / Shaun Stanley
Driver John Lee from Evanston, Wyo., gets advice Friday as he attempts to climb above the Colorado River along the Moab Rim Trail, one of dozens of trails used during the 39th annual Jeep Safari, which brings 20,000 to 30,000 four-wheel-drive enthusiasts to the Moab area.
I didn't know john lee had a scout?
I though Moab's main economic source was tourism.............I didn't see a whole lot of industry there last November
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Kyle
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Ya still gotta respect that it is thier town. Who knows how many are natives and how many are transplants. But its gotta be tough to deal with a bunch of assholes that drift through all summer...
Thanks Mike, now that song is stuck in my head!
I feel both ways about this. 20 to 30k jeepers doesn't do much to promote the sport to the people that hadn't cared one way or another in the past. But just show them footage of these people in the "wilderness" and they're more then likely going to vote/support the greenie agenda.
On the other hand, it's national land and should be available for everybodies use and not just the privilaged few who think they are custodians of the land.
I'm also sure that miss tree hugger has no problem selling health drinks to the hateful jeepers!
I feel both ways about this. 20 to 30k jeepers doesn't do much to promote the sport to the people that hadn't cared one way or another in the past. But just show them footage of these people in the "wilderness" and they're more then likely going to vote/support the greenie agenda.
On the other hand, it's national land and should be available for everybodies use and not just the privilaged few who think they are custodians of the land.
I'm also sure that miss tree hugger has no problem selling health drinks to the hateful jeepers!
Kyle said:
It is tough. I lived in a tourist village in Wisconsin. Population 92 all winter and during the week spring & summer, but come the sun and the weekend, thousands arrived. BUT it was the only way most of the residents made any money. There were 3 art galleries, 3 restaurants and about 10 shops there. It was a bitch getting around, especially during the biker's "River Run" each spring, but you didn't hear too many folks complaining about the revenue.
I think Moab is great, but I have always gone there December / January. The place is deserted. Hotels are cheap and the trails are empty.
Pugsly said:I think Moab is great, but I have always gone there December / January. The place is deserted. Hotels are cheap and the trails are empty.
Yeah, I have heard that. Personally, I would much rather go anywhere when there are not a million other folks getting in the way.
Next they'll out law off-roading and then bitch cause they have no economy.
Hippies are just capitalist selling a product no one wants. If it was Hemp fest at Moab they would call it a revoltion and High Times would do a cover story on it. Seems to me the tree huggers are more close minded that the Jeepers. The hippies can't accept someone elses values or ideas but demand that we all respect theirs. Wait there is a word for that. Oh ya hypocrisy
Hippies are just capitalist selling a product no one wants. If it was Hemp fest at Moab they would call it a revoltion and High Times would do a cover story on it. Seems to me the tree huggers are more close minded that the Jeepers. The hippies can't accept someone elses values or ideas but demand that we all respect theirs. Wait there is a word for that. Oh ya hypocrisy
Andrew Homan said:Next they'll out law off-roading and then bitch cause they have no economy.
Hippies are just capitalist selling a product no one wants. If it was Hemp fest at Moab they would call it a revoltion and High Times would do a cover story on it. Seems to me the tree huggers are more close minded that the Jeepers. The hippies can't accept someone elses values or ideas but demand that we all respect theirs. Wait there is a word for that. Oh ya hypocrisy
I kind of resent all the generalising that you guys are throwing in here. Hippies, tree-huggers, etc. Gimme a break. The majority of off-roaders I know are more environmentally aware and concerned than most, and many were hippies in their day. So using those terms you may be pointing at 'us' as much as anyone else. I for one qualify as a hippy-treehugging-off-roader. (I know, here come the flames!)
I spent alot of time on Cape Cod when I was growing up, summer tourism drove the economy there for the entire year. As long ago as the 60's there was gridlock on the Cape in August. The 'natives' complained all the way to the bank about it. But they also spent the other 9-10 months of the year complaining that there was no economy. No motel rentals, no store traffic, no harbor fees, restaurants couldn't get help for the 3 patrons they were seeing.... My guess is that the MOAB folks are no different than people in Lake George Village, NY where Americade is held, or Sturgis SD, or Laconia NH, or Laughlin NV......they get hammered with tourists for 1-2 weeks, make a fortune, then complain. It's human nature folks.
Unfortunately, when it comes to off-roading, human nature bitching leads to trail closures and further restrictions.
It does affect them negatively though. I remember back on the movie, "City Slickers 2," the entire picture was originally going to be filmed in and around Moab. The local enviornmentalists made such a huge deal about the damage a movie crew could do, that eventually they just shot the most necessary shots in Moab, and went elsewhere to do the rest.
Now a movie of that size literally brings millions of dollars into a community, over a period of just a few short months. But because there was a chance the crew could disturb that special real old dirt I, which I can never remember the name of, the enviormentalists won, and the crew took thier money elsewhere.
Now, I'm no expert, but it seems to me that a bunch of professionals who have been warned, and have an enviornmentalist paid to be on the crew full time to make sure nothing is harmed, is gonna do a lot less damange than 20,000 jeepers on a weekend party.
My worry is that if a few people are capable of turning away that kind of capitol in order to make a statement, then it's very possible that they might be able to pull the power to keep closing trails, get rid of tourism, and create their little world just the way they want it. I really hope not, I love Moab. And many films continue to go there, but always with a hassel. I just hope that we can continue to enjoy it, and a few people don't mess it up for everyone else.
Now a movie of that size literally brings millions of dollars into a community, over a period of just a few short months. But because there was a chance the crew could disturb that special real old dirt I, which I can never remember the name of, the enviormentalists won, and the crew took thier money elsewhere.
Now, I'm no expert, but it seems to me that a bunch of professionals who have been warned, and have an enviornmentalist paid to be on the crew full time to make sure nothing is harmed, is gonna do a lot less damange than 20,000 jeepers on a weekend party.
My worry is that if a few people are capable of turning away that kind of capitol in order to make a statement, then it's very possible that they might be able to pull the power to keep closing trails, get rid of tourism, and create their little world just the way they want it. I really hope not, I love Moab. And many films continue to go there, but always with a hassel. I just hope that we can continue to enjoy it, and a few people don't mess it up for everyone else.
Second (or third) that. My hometown was slated to be the locatoin for a movie made in the 1990's. The River Wild with Meryl Streep I think was the name. Anyway, the town depended on tourism after the closure of the timber mills and the closure of the fisheries. That movie was slated to bring something like 2-3 milliion to the economy. Whats worse, it wasn't local environmentalists that prevented the film being shot there; it was environmentalists in Portland, Oregon that were worried about the impact of the film crew on the environment 300 miles away. That really sticks in my craw. The entire state is dirt poor except for the cities in Oregon, which is where all of the environmentalists live. Its easy to say 'save the trees' when it has no impact whatsoever on your livelihood.
Whats funny is that a wildfire burned down much of the trees they wanted to 'save' a couple of years later. Now, I do believe in conservation, but a balance must be reached. Perhaps the dividing line is this; there are conservationists who would like to create a sustainable balance between using and preserving, then there are environmentalists who believe that everyone should live in a city like them, plough under all of the access roads and watch the Nature Channel when they need a bit of greenery in their lives.
Whats funny is that a wildfire burned down much of the trees they wanted to 'save' a couple of years later. Now, I do believe in conservation, but a balance must be reached. Perhaps the dividing line is this; there are conservationists who would like to create a sustainable balance between using and preserving, then there are environmentalists who believe that everyone should live in a city like them, plough under all of the access roads and watch the Nature Channel when they need a bit of greenery in their lives.
I've been to moab. I've been through utah. If it is legitametly at risk of being defaced or destroyed then I say close it off.
20000 jeeps i can see at least 5000 assholes tearing up the land.
People do it to themselves and then complain when it's taken away.
Shit just look at walmart. People buy everything from walmart and then bitch that they lost there good paying job at a factory. Guess what blaming others wont bring your job back. not buying forieng made goods would keep your job, though...
Blaming environmentalists aint going to get the trails back. If you don't like whats going on then take some time out of your day and do something about it.
Alot of hippies live a shitty lifestyle doing shitty stupid jobs with a lot of free time just so they can go and devote themselves to what ever pointless cause they want to support or bitch about. I admire thier devotion to the cause even though i feel they are misguided and don't participate in my version of reality.
why complain i guess it wont help.
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20000 jeeps i can see at least 5000 assholes tearing up the land.
People do it to themselves and then complain when it's taken away.
Shit just look at walmart. People buy everything from walmart and then bitch that they lost there good paying job at a factory. Guess what blaming others wont bring your job back. not buying forieng made goods would keep your job, though...
Blaming environmentalists aint going to get the trails back. If you don't like whats going on then take some time out of your day and do something about it.
Alot of hippies live a shitty lifestyle doing shitty stupid jobs with a lot of free time just so they can go and devote themselves to what ever pointless cause they want to support or bitch about. I admire thier devotion to the cause even though i feel they are misguided and don't participate in my version of reality.
why complain i guess it wont help.
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AndyThoma
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more for your reading displeasure ....
http://www.suwa.org/page.php?page_name=Camp_Orv_Home
I can't find the article but the safari's 5 year permit for the event ends this year with the BLM. SUWA wants the BLM not to reissue the permit. My guess is that article is trying to push the keep offroaders out button with the public.
http://www.suwa.org/page.php?page_name=Camp_Orv_Home
I can't find the article but the safari's 5 year permit for the event ends this year with the BLM. SUWA wants the BLM not to reissue the permit. My guess is that article is trying to push the keep offroaders out button with the public.
What they should do is have one deputy out there handing out $500 tickets for people who abuse the area. It's easy enough to go "off-roading" without tearing up the place, leaving trash everywhere, and making all four wheelers look bad. The problem is that it is Jeepers -- seriously, you have to admit, the average Jeeper likes to turn a good off-road experience into the PAAAAARRTAAAAAAY of the year.
The local LR club should invite the media along on a trash collecting trip. Show them how much fun it is to have fun in the environment without hurting it.
www.mrbaileyshistory.net/photography
The local LR club should invite the media along on a trash collecting trip. Show them how much fun it is to have fun in the environment without hurting it.
www.mrbaileyshistory.net/photography