One in every hundred Americans in prison

Bannon88

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How depressing is this.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080228/ap_on_re_us/prison_population

NEW YORK - For the first time in history, more than one in every 100 American adults is in jail or prison, according to a new report tracking the surge in inmate population and urging states to rein in corrections costs with alternative sentencing programs.

The report, released Thursday by the Pew Center on the States, said the 50 states spent more than $49 billion on corrections last year, up from less than $11 billion 20 years earlier. The rate of increase for prison costs was six times greater than for higher education spending, the report said.

Using updated state-by-state data, the report said 2,319,258 adults were held in U.S. prisons or jails at the start of 2008 ? one out of every 99.1 adults, and more than any other country in the world.

The steadily growing inmate population "is saddling cash-strapped states with soaring costs they can ill afford and failing to have a clear impact either on recidivism or overall crime," said the report.

Susan Urahn, managing director of the Pew Center on the States, said budget woes are prompting officials in many states to consider new, cost-saving corrections policies that might have been shunned in the recent past for fear of appearing soft in crime.

"We're seeing more and more states being creative because of tight budgets," she said in an interview. "They want to be tough on crime, they want to be a law-and-order state ? but they also want to save money, and they want to be effective."

The report cited Kansas and Texas as states which have acted decisively to slow the growth of their inmate population. Their actions include greater use of community supervision for low-risk offenders and employing sanctions other than reimprisonment for ex-offenders who commit technical violations of parole and probation rules.

"The new approach, born of bipartisan leadership, is allowing the two states to ensure they have enough prison beds for violent offenders while helping less dangerous lawbreakers become productive, taxpaying citizens," the report said.

While many state governments have shown bipartisan interest in curbing prison growth, there also are persistent calls to proceed cautiously.

"We need to be smarter," said David Muhlhausen, a criminal justice expert with the conservative Heritage Foundation. "We're not incarcerating all the people who commit serious crimes ? but we're also probably incarcerating people who don't need to be."

According to the report, the inmate population increased last year in 36 states and the federal prison system.

The largest percentage increase ? 12 percent ? was in Kentucky, where Gov. Steve Beshear highlighted the cost of corrections in his budget speech last month. He noted that the state's crime rate had increased only about 3 percent in the past 30 years, while the state's inmate population has increased by 600 percent.

The Pew report was compiled by the Center on the State's Public Safety Performance Project, which is working directly with 13 states on developing programs to divert offenders from prison without jeopardizing public safety.

"For all the money spent on corrections today, there hasn't been a clear and convincing return for public safety," said the project's director, Adam Gelb. "More and more states are beginning to rethink their reliance on prisons for lower-level offenders and finding strategies that are tough on crime without being so tough on taxpayers."

The report said prison growth and higher incarceration rates do not reflect a parallel increase in crime or in the nation's overall population. Instead, it said, more people are behind bars mainly because of tough sentencing measures, such as "three-strikes" laws, that result in longer prison stays.

"For some groups, the incarceration numbers are especially startling," the report said. "While one in 30 men between the ages of 20 and 34 is behind bars, for black males in that age group the figure is one in nine."

The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails ? a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults.

The report said the United States is the world's incarceration leader, far ahead of more populous China with 1.5 million people behind bars. It said the U.S. also is the leader in inmates per capita (750 per 100,000 people), ahead of Russia (628 per 100,000) and other former Soviet bloc nations which make up the rest of the Top 10.
 

jhmover

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They should at least legalize pot and spend their time, money and locking up of the people dealing the hard-stuff.
 

Bannon88

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Ending the drug war, would you really want a bunch of whacked out druggies running the streets?

I can see the legalization of pot, but once the govt would do that it would open a whole realm of other issues to contend with.

Are you going to get pot from a hash bar or the pharmacist? Who sets the price? And like fuel will there be a regular, premium, and super grade? How much will it be taxed? If it's taxed too much, will people revert back to buying it "illegally"? What will the legal age to smoke pot be? What are the restrictions, such as driving, public highness?
 

jim-00-4.6

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Bannon88 said:
The nationwide figures, as of Jan. 1, include 1,596,127 people in state and federal prisons and 723,131 in local jails ? a total 2,319,258 out of almost 230 million American adults.
Does that include Gitmo?
 

itdnwiwbp

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Ending the drug war, would you really want a bunch of whacked out druggies running the streets? Where did this happen? I'm pretty sure that most of the contries that have legalized marijuana have lower rates of drug use than the U.S.

Are you going to get pot from a hash bar or the pharmacist? Probably not from a pharmacist since it wouldn't be prescripiton medication. Why does this matter anyway?
Who sets the price? I'm sure it would work a lot like alcohol. The manufacturer will decide the price. The federal, state, and local governments will add on tax.
And like fuel will there be a regular, premium, and super grade? That'd be nice wouldn't...but again, why does this matter?
How much will it be taxed? If it's taxed too much, will people revert back to buying it "illegally"? It'll probably be taxed similarly to alcohol. However, legalization will cause a flood in the market and thus a lower price for marijuana. Even if there are people still selling it illegally it won't cost nearly as much. Kinda like moonshine. And the legal pot even with taxes would probably come out cheaper than what people pay now.
What will the legal age to smoke pot be? I would guess 21...like alcohol.
What are the restrictions, such as driving, public highness? That's really the only legitimate question you've asked. Since you can't measure the content the same way as alcohol its would be more complicated. But you can bet it would be illegal to drive under the influence, just as it currently is.
 

noee

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Are you going to get pot from a hash bar or the pharmacist? Who sets the price? And like fuel will there be a regular, premium, and super grade? How much will it be taxed? If it's taxed too much, will people revert back to buying it "illegally"? What will the legal age to smoke pot be? What are the restrictions, such as driving, public highness?

Just think about alcohol. Same thing.

Fwiw, just study up on non-THC hemp. The plant is just simply incredible, one of the most robust (meaning, many uses and easy to grow) flora utilities we have and it was made illegal (again, non-THC hemp) because Dupont invented nylon.

To the topic at hand, they used to have penal colonies for such situations in the past. Think Georgia and SC and of course, our brothers in Oz.
 

Nargun

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To the topic at hand, they used to have penal colonies for such situations in the past. Think Georgia and SC and of course, our brothers in Oz.

If your are Australian there is quite a social cachet if you can trace your ancestors back to to convicts.

The drug trade is the ultimate expression of the free market without Government intervention. Imagine the taxes raised if this was treated exactly the same way as alcohol.

Of course you don't have to legailse marijuana, just decriminalise it.

Some states in Australia have a "personal use" law, one or two joints is not an offence. Other States such as where I live have sentencing options based on quantities of possession. A few Grams (even Heroin)may go to Court and attract a fine and a criminal conviction. A few such convictions and you could be looking at Gaol. A few kilos and you could start planning which retirement home you would like to live in

Both the judiciary and society tend to have a belief that sending people to prison is a last resort and basically does not stop offending or minimise the risk to the community. It simply 'warehouses" people as a means of punishment.

Australia has "Booze buses" for random breath testing. In Victoria they are also using these to do testing for drug use. It's terrifying how many they are picking up

Marijuana is not the "safe" drug that many believe. In some respects heroin is far safer. In this state there are number of prisoners in secure psychiatric facilities afer committing offences during periods of drug induced psychosis. There is considerable evidence that if the individual has a predisposition to psychotic episodes this may be triggered by use of marijauna
 

asmith996

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While I agree the war on drugs should be scaled back dramatically, all the one in one hundred statistic says to me is one in one hundred people should not have committed a crime! And before you all jump in saying haven't you ever broken the law? Let me just say that if you get to the point where you get an actual jail sentance it is not the first time you have broken the law (obviously there will always be exceptions). If you disagree with a law, fight to get it changed, and if you just disregard it well, lo and behold there may very well be consequences.
 

DiscoJen

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Pot, prostitution...just legalize and tax the fuck out of it! ;)

But seriously, those are alarming figures. Guess that is why I don't read the news very often. If we all took everything we read so seriously it'd be awful hard to sleep at night, and we'd all be fearful to step out onto the streets past dark. I am guilty of wearing my rose colored glasses when they suit me.
 

asmith996

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DiscoJen said:
Pot, prostitution...just legalize and tax the fuck out of it! ;)

But seriously, those are alarming figures. Guess that is why I don't read the news very often. If we all took everything we read so seriously it'd be awful hard to sleep at night, and we'd all be fearful to step out onto the streets past dark. I am guilty of wearing my rose colored glasses when they suit me.

The media as it currently exists, is there to sell a product. And they have found that fear sells very, very, well. The problems that are most likely to affect you are most likely underreported or never reported as they do not sell as well as the bogeyman stories. We have it better now that at any time in the history of the planet and yet we seem to be as a society more worried than ever. Live your life, you are more likely to die of a stress induced heart attack brought on by the news than anything the news reports on.
 

I HATE PONIES

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I would like to see the breakdown of the numbers. I for one don't believe for a moment that people smoking pot are clogging up our prison systems. If you get busted for having a joint or two you will not be incarcerated long enough to make the statistics listed, if at all. Now if you get busted with a few pounds you are clearly a dealer.

Vray let me ask you this: If weed becomes legal but the tax is too high and people continue to get it through illegal channels should the dealers be jailed for drug trafficking or for tax evasion?
 

Discokam

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I feel like dank now is like alcohol way back in the day. It was outlawed and people went crazy with it because they couldn't get ahold of it. I feel that once they legalize it there will be a rush just like there was in the 20's for alcohol but it will die down and become a casual thing. Except it is smoking and i hate smoking.