Oil Viscosity

pdogg

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I know the topic of "best oil" has been beat to death, but hear me out.

I'm considering switching to Mobil 1, and my local Costco carries 5W30 and 10W30 at a decent price. The manual for my '02 says 5W40 or 10W40 should be used, yet I see lots of you are using 30 weight..

do I have any issues using 5W30? I've searched high and low for info on this...

also Valvoline Synthetic runs pretty cheap ~ $4 / qt..

anyone use this?

When converting, do I need to flush the old oil? I only have 20k miles.
 
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DiscoDriver

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I'm using Mobil1 0W-40. I intially switched from dino juice to Mobil1 Truck & SUV which is 10W-40 but is harder to find around here. So last change I went to 0W-40 which is readily available at Autozone, Advance, etc.

My local Memphis LR dealer uses Castrol 5W-30, but I don't feel comfortable with that weight during the Memphis summer.
 
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deltadude388

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DiscoDriver said:
I'm using Mobil1 0W-40. I intially switched from dino juice to Mobil1 Truck & SUV which is 10W-40 but is harder to find around here. So last change I went to 0W-40 which is readily available at Autozone, Advance, etc.

My local Memphis LR dealer uses Castrol 5W-30, but I don't feel comfortable with that weight during the Memphis summer.

I think 0W-40 is one of the best oils you can buy. Not many manufacturers make that viscosity, I am only aware of Mobil.

Not long ago I sent it in for an oil analysis after 10K of usage(not in a Rover), the oil still retained 50% of its new specs. I thought that was cool, only drawback is 0W-40 oil is not exactly cheap.
 

NVRover

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pdogg said:
I live in phoenix, 110 in summer.... rarely goes to freezing in winter..

Ditto on the Mobil 1 0w40. That will work well in Phoenix. When we lived in Laughlin, NV which has slightly hotter summers than Phoenix, I would switch to Mobil 1 15w50. May give that a shot during the summer.
 

eburrows

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My last engine block (don't ask) ran almost entirely on Mobile 1 10w-30 here in Southern California, and after 40,000 miles, when I had it replaced, showed almost zero wear, according to my very senior mechanic. If I'm going to be spending a lot of time in the mountins, I'll sometimes switch to 0w-40, which is harder to find.
 

NVRover

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FYI Mobil 1 0w40 is carried at Autozone, at least in everyone that I have been in from the boonies of AZ and NV to the boonies of AR. If you can't find it, Mobil 1's Super Synthetic "Truck and SUV formula" is 5w40 I believe.
 
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parthog

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For most oils, stay away from the wide-viscosity-range oils. In a synthetic oil not as much so, but synthetic oils are not all the same, they come from different basestocks (better = more $$) and some are actually "synthetics" from regular oil cracked enough times to be labeled as a "synthetic". Better synthetics (ex: RedLine = polyolester basestock) use better basestocks.

Mobil 1 used to be the standard, with some more expensive oils a little above them (RedLine, Amsoil, etc) and only mimimally better. Now Mobil 1 has messed around with what Mobil 1 is, undoubtably market/price pressure, and not all Mobil 1 grades are what they used to be. I still run Mobil 1 "extended drain oil"? oil in some cars, Delvac 1 in another, and Amsoil / Redline in still others depending on how much I want to keep them and how hard I run them. For the LR which is a bit of a rich/dirty engine and many say is prone to sludge production, I would use Mobil's Delvac 1 synthetic (a diesel oil, has a better additive package to make the diesel approvals but also approved for gasoline engines) for its increased ability to handle soot. Unfortunately it is available only in 15W-50 I believe, which works but IMO is not ideal. I run Amsoil Heavy Duty Diesel and Marine 10W-40 in my LR engine, works well for all temps here in Michigan (harder to find and a little more $$).

I like the 10W-30 synthetic, good protection with resonable economy. If you want slightly better economy you can go with a 5W or 0W I suppose, but I believe that they are recommended only in the NAS engine fluids in the RAVE manual, other countries' recommendations are 10W for the same climates, LR is probably using the thinner oil in the US to get better EPA economy numbers or better emission numbers, very common in the automobile business these days, ... it's all about numbers. The bean-counters run Engineering here in the auto biz these days, we engineers are the decision makers of the past.

In many oils (including some synthetics) viscosity modifiers are used to stretch the viscosity range, for example you might start with a 5weight oil and add some short-chain polymers to gain the 5W-40 ratings. This works okay, but the short-chain polymers break down quickly and in high-shear areas such as camshaft lobes or rings the polymers aren't effective so you are essentially running an oil with the protection of a 5weight oil in those areas. A bad thing. Multi-grade dino oils are a very short-term solution IMO and even low-end synthetics are much better, but still stick with the smaller ranges as a rule-of-thumb (the original Mobil 1 5W-30 for example needed no viscosity modifiers to achieve its 5W-30 rating, a very good oil).

The other part of the story is that only a few anal-retentive engineer types among us are likely to run engines long and hard, and have oil analyzed regularly to see how much longer than the truck's useful life we can make the engine run without failure, ... in which case most premium oils will work fine if changed regularly, it's probably overkill, but someone asked (again).

Is the K&N vs paper filter question next?

- Jeff Miller
 

pdogg

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I haven't thought about the air filter yet... but I did pick up a couple Bosch Oil filters..

any opinions there? I returned the Fram POS, after reading such negative comments about it.
 

macklow

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If you're looking for anectotal evidence, I've put LR OEM, Fram (several kinds), Bosch, whatever British Pacific sells (cooper?), and some others I can't remember. My engine still starts and doesn't burn oil and has about 220,000 miles on it. They all seem the same except the purolator which made my lifters tap for a few seconds more than normal on startup.

Or it might have been the oil I used that oil change.
 
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deltadude388

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macklow said:
If you're looking for anectotal evidence, I've put LR OEM, Fram (several kinds), Bosch, whatever British Pacific sells (cooper?), and some others I can't remember. My engine still starts and doesn't burn oil and has about 220,000 miles on it. They all seem the same except the purolator which made my lifters tap for a few seconds more than normal on startup.

Or it might have been the oil I used that oil change.


220K miles is hella impressive! Mine consumed approx 1/2 a quart from 7.5K to 15K miles, dunno if that's normal. I used the 5W-30 Mobil 1 from Walmart, can't beat their price on it.
 

Drew

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pep boy has them all from the 0/40 to the extended life oil. What's evev better is if you purchase their calander behind the counter their a coupon where you buy 3 quarts and the other three are free.
Drew
 

Zarati

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FYI...
Mobil 0-40 is VERY thin. It has an HTHS rating "HighTempHighShear" of less than 3.5. While initially it was the LAST of the Mobil 1 brand to retain use of PAO base stocks instead of Group 3, it is very thin.
If you look at all the Specs the new Mobil 1 Truck & SUV actually is very impressive for a Type III Synthetic. It has a fairly good HTHS, good Volitility, etc. Its also met most of the "REAL" standards in europe for both Diesel and Turbocharged engines. Including ACEA-3.
That would be my safe bet. I wont run the 0-40. Might as well put in Water. On a BUDGET the OLD Valvoline Semi-Synth performed quite well. But the new formulation is worse. "Budget cuts."
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ShaunP

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Gee you blokes in the US use thin oil, wouldn't dream of it in OZ.
 
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deltadude388

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Drew said:
pep boy has them all from the 0/40 to the extended life oil. What's evev better is if you purchase their calander behind the counter their a coupon where you buy 3 quarts and the other three are free.
Drew

How much is the calendar?
 

geoff

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In the oil analyses I have done, I got the best bearing wear with Rotella 5w-40, and the best iron (cam, lifters) wear with Castrol 20w-50. Trying Rotella dino 15w-40 now.

These engines barely register any oil pressure brand-new, and its the cam lobes that can get rounded off with the wrong oil. No roller followers like the latest US pushrod engines. The 15w-40s have the best additives to mitigate cam wear. You also need enough oil pressure to keep the hydraulic lifters from bleeding down.

Dealer uses the Castrol 20w-50 here. Rover allows for 10w-30 to 85F (30C) only in the manual for my '04 Disco. These guys swear 20w-50 is the correct oil for the engine: www.rpiv8.com.

BTW, no need to flush the engine switching to synthetic. Mobil1 5w-40 Truck and SUV is the same as Delvac1, probably the most robust synthetic out there. Available at Wallmart.
 
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parthog said:
The other part of the story is that only a few anal-retentive engineer types among us are likely to run engines long and hard, and have oil analyzed regularly to see how much longer than the truck's useful life we can make the engine run without failure, ...

- Jeff Miller

I'm an anal-retentive engineer type who is afraid to conduct such analyses, along with refusing to run compression tests or oil pressure tests. At 213K, I don't want to know the results of such tests ;) . The truck still runs, what more can you ask from an engine with such mileage?

Yes, it's scheduled for a teardown this fall/winter as I'm sure there are no lobes left on the cam and main/rod bearings are probably in similar condition.

PT