McCain VP- Sarah Palin

[jammin]

Haven't read the book jammin. Have you?

Nope. Never had much interest in it previously. (I might check it out eventually, as it has become more relevant in recent months.)

As for those snippets... yep, I've read 'em all already. And others that looked worse than most of these.

Like I said, it'd be good check out what 3rd party fact checkers have to say before putting too much stock in any of them.

 

[gugubica]

Speaking of splitting hairs, call it a writ OR a right, these detainees nonetheless have to be offered due process, which has definitely not been the case - and the Supreme Court has said so - twice, now. Curiously (or not), the verdict has had no effect upon the actions of Bush & Co. (Hamdan, though found guilty of lesser charges and sentenced to time served plus five months, will remain in prison indefinitely.) That Palin, and by association, McCain, thinks that's it's OK is also a mystery. McCain, more than anyone else in the entire nation - as a former PoW - should be a champion of due process.

Not splitting hairs, just trying to clarify. In case you missed it, I do think that those detained should be able to petition for habius corpus. Even if they get it, that does not mean that they will go free, or even have a speedy trial with a jury of their peers (as if that would even be possible). If they are awarded a writ of habius corpus it just means that they get to have a hearing as to if they are legally detained (sufficient evidence to support the charge, etc). I would venture to guess that after they are awarded said writ and given said hearing that most will be in the same spot they were (a holding facility).

Anyway, again, I do think that they should be afforded due process. I am just saying that they do not have the rights spelled out in the Constitutional Amendments (Bill of Rights) addressing incarceration.

But, irregardless, this still does not refute my initial statement (which I was merely pointing out an error).

Again, Bush & co. blah, blah, blah... Bush has nothing to do with my statements. Oh, and McCain is actually a pretty strong advocate for giving detainees due process and guarantee against being tortured.

 

[HunterAK]

Like I said, it'd be good check out what 3rd party fact checkers have to say before putting too much stock in any of them.

I agree. This should ring true for all candidates as well.

 

[gugubica]

Oh, and back to Palin's comment. I believe she was trying to relay that she was not going to be a pussy when we catch Osama. No "oh, that poor misunderstood terrorist, he just needs a hug and then he will understand that we love him and he will like us again." I do not think she said or suggested that he would not recieve due prosses, but rather he would not be given unneccesary favors as some bleeding hearts would like. At least, I did not infer that.

 

[J. Toronado]

Someone should remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

 

[MarkP]

Here are some lies and truths...

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Huffington? AP? :rofl:

But better yet - on tax policy the article quotes the Brookings Institute.

. . . Brookings has in recent years shifted back to the political left, particularly in its foreign policy positions. Condemning President Bush's Iraq policy, in April 2004 Brookings hosted Senator Edward Kennedy in an event aimed at discrediting the Iraq War. As the 2004 Presidential election neared, the Institution's Fellows endorsed Democratic candidate John Kerry's call for a "more sensitively" fought war on terrorism. They have also called for the American government to permit Islamic radicals like Tariq Ramadan to enter the U.S. with work visas.

Brookings has been involved with a variety of internationalist and state-sponsored programs, including the Global Governance Initiative, which aspires to facilitate the establishment of a U.N.-dominated world government, based in part on economic and Third World considerations. Brookings Fellows have also called for additional global collaboration on trade and banking; the expansion of the Kyoto Protocol; and nationalized health insurance . . . .​

A far from objective analysis

 

[MarkP]

Someone should remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

99.9% of America knew what she was talking about.

There is always that 0.1% . . . . . . . .

Edit add: If I had any input into Palin speech I would have substitued Annenberg Challange for community organizer. Hit him right were the corruption occured, where there was zero accomplishments for his extremely limited executive experience.

Too direct?

 

[Blue]

Someone should remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

so you're saying you want to crucify the chocolate jesus?

 

[landrovered]

Someone should remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

THIS IS THE BEST QUOTE OF THE ENTIRE F'ING THREAD, THANK YOU!

 

[p m]

so you're saying you want to crucify the chocolate jesus?

goddamn Blue... now I can't work.

 

[p m]

Someone should remind Sarah Palin that Jesus Christ was a community organizer and Pontius Pilate was a governor.

JT, while I can appreciate a smart remark, remember that, in social sense, Jesus Christ seemed to have disorganized a fairly well-functioning society, and his followers instilled a certain order in Europe that retarded its development by about a thousand years. If you believe the book, that is.

 

[GYM]

atriot:

Though I disagree with most of what you say politically, Landrovered; I will concede, your recent string of avatars have been entertaining...

 

[apg]

Oh, and back to Palin's comment. I believe she was trying to relay that she was not going to be a pussy when we catch Osama.

That's fine by me (but listening to the speech, that's not how I interpreted the quote)....just as long as when he's in our sights, we don't "outsource" it as Bush stupidly did in Tora Bora. The current administration has made a mess of virtually everything, so the next administration - whoever that might be - is going to have their hands full from day one. I hope they are up to the task. We can start by dustin' off the Constitution....

 

[apg]

Though I disagree with most of what you say politically, Landrovered; I will concede, your recent string of avatars have been entertaining...

I dunno....in that last one, she's holding a *pellet* rifle. Sure hope it was photoshopped....:smilelol:

 

[gugubica]

Though I disagree with most of what you say politically, Landrovered; I will concede, your recent string of avatars have been entertaining...

The swimsuit one is fake (photoshoped).

 

[gugubica]

That's fine by me (but listening to the speech, that's not how I interpreted the quote)....just as long as when he's in our sights, we don't "outsource" it as Bush stupidly did in Tora Bora. The current administration has made a mess of virtually everything, so the next administration - whoever that might be - is going to have their hands full from day one. I hope they are up to the task. We can start by dustin' off the Constitution....

agreed, on all counts...


damn, that must be a bad omen

 

[MarkP]

Still say Palin should have brought up the Annenberg Challange. Missed opportunity or just laying the land mines for Obama?

Palin - "A small-town mayor is sort of like a 'community organizer,' except that you have actual responsibilities"

So let's look at Obama as the "community organizer"

The Authoritarian Radicals: Barack Obama, Bill Ayers and the Chicago Annenberg Challenge

So just as the Ayers/Obama community organizer dream of a new power center in Chicago schools was flailing, along came Walter Annenberg with his $500 million national grant to school reform in 1993.​

So Obama's community organizing days are tied to the Annenberg Challange corruption. Well, well. Now, what was Obama doing on the streets of Chicago with that money? Hint: he wasn't following in the footsteps of Jesus.

 

[95.D1.Rick]

THIS IS THE BEST QUOTE OF THE ENTIRE F'ING THREAD, THANK YOU!

Hardly, he's actually using Rush's thinking, equating BHO to Jesus, or the messiah. Humorous, but not for the reason intended.

 

[Steve]

so you're saying you want to crucify the chocolate jesus?

That's too harsh, I just like to eat the ears off.

 

[Chris-St Louis]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080904..._enquirer_1;_ylt=Ap7gFDA_zOV73Pbs5PuTvfJh24cA


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