jymmiejamz what do you think of this one

[singingcamel]

2006 Land Rover LR3
condition: fair
cylinders: 8 cylinders
drive: 4wd
fuel: gas
odometer: 193505
paint color: green
size: full-size
title status: clean
transmission: automatic
type: SUV

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The time has come to sell my LR3. I'm the only owner, a Rover enthusiast, and have maintained it since day one. The first 50K miles were serviced under the bumper to bumper warranty at Land Rover Minneapolis. After that, I did the maintenance, which consisted of genuine LR oil filters, Mobile 1 oil, brakes, tires, and the occasional air suspension work. When the air suspension got to the point where I felt it was going to get expensive to maintain, I put in the aftermarket coil suspension from British Atlantic which includes the electronics to keep the dashboard lights off. There are no warning lights when it's running. So why the low price? Here's the good and the bad:

Good: When it's running, it still purs like a kitten. Transmission is perfect. Various traction modes work perfect. Great ride - quiet, comfortable, interior in great shape, it's a seven passanger luxury SUV - great truck.

Bad: Power steering resivoir has a crack, so is intermittent. Tires are very worn. A hit and run driver damaged the passenger side door. The major issue is that in the summer of 2014 I hit a deer, which did almost no visible damage to the front end. Unfortunately, it was hit hard enough to deploy the driver (steering wheel) airbag. While the car drove away fine, it seems to have developed a mystery electrical short. It will start fine day after day for a couple of months, then refuse to start at all (goes into crash mode with the flashers on, doors unlocking, all lights on the dashboard), then start working again. I took the truck to Expedition Autoworks in St. Louis Park and they found some shorts which were repaired and it seemed fine. However, the issue came back. They found additional shorts, but it came back again. On the last visit, they suggested replacing the instrument cluster (which is something I've read online as well) but I decided I'd just take my chances as it usually starts. I've since tried to track down the issue, but have given up. Just don't have the time and energy to do it. The plates expire this month, so rather than renew, it's time to move on to my next Rover project

 

[jymmiejamz]

Sounds like a good parts car!

What's the price?

 

[singingcamel]

$3500.

 

[jymmiejamz]

That seems like too much to me. Dan's truck would be a much better deal IMO.

 

[jafir]

I agree that Dan's $5000 truck is a better deal, it runs and drives.

I will say that if the engine is good in the $3500 truck, it's worth every penny. Try to find a well running, used 4.4L AJ-V8. They are like $3500. So you could take the engine, pay for the purchase, and everything else would be gravy. I'm not sure how much a transfer case or transmission goes for used, but I'm guessing they aren't cheap. If the diffs look like they have been replaced, they are probably worth some money too. And then when you are done selling parts off of it, you can sell the thing for scrap for a couple hundred bucks maybe.

 

[jafir]

If it does only need a cluster, there are some posts on the nanocom owners support forum where someone was successfully able to put a used cluster in a D3 or LR3. I think the miles were messed up, but other than that it worked, which is saying something because it stores a copy of the CCF file.

 

[Jagfixer]

Never taken care of after deer hit, pass.

 

[jymmiejamz]

I agree that Dan's $5000 truck is a better deal, it runs and drives.

I will say that if the engine is good in the $3500 truck, it's worth every penny. Try to find a well running, used 4.4L AJ-V8. They are like $3500. So you could take the engine, pay for the purchase, and everything else would be gravy. I'm not sure how much a transfer case or transmission goes for used, but I'm guessing they aren't cheap. If the diffs look like they have been replaced, they are probably worth some money too. And then when you are done selling parts off of it, you can sell the thing for scrap for a couple hundred bucks maybe.

No one is going to want a used 195k mile motor.

 

[jafir]

That's true. I didn't consider the mileage part.

 

[discostew]

I like how he read online and wanted them to replace his instrument cluster. Any time I've had an instrument cluster out of one of these cars it took about 6 hours just to know that was what I had, and the car was like 3 hrs from being back together. Been working on LR3 and Sport since they came out. I've seen 3 instrument clusters fail like he read about.

But somebody could make some money buying that for $3500. Just start parting the thing out, don't even try to fix it.

I like "I'm the only owner" He could be the 5th owner and still be the only owner.

 

[discostew]

No one is going to want a used 195k mile motor.

audio head and amps, Touch screen display, all kinds of expensive stuff in there. A shop will buy the motor I bet. But your right about not wanting it for my own car.

 

[jymmiejamz]

audio head and amps, Touch screen display, all kinds of expensive stuff in there. A shop will buy the motor I bet. But your right about not wanting it for my own car.

No doubt it has a lot of good parts on it, but the fact of the matter is that everything is probably pretty worn out. I don't care how well the motor is maintained, it is still probably pretty worn out.

 

[Colin hughes]

I seem to get these weird issues too. Looks like it is the instrument cluster on mine. Driving along, Bong, bong, all lights on dash but doesn't stall. Shut off, back on, lights gone, carry on. Autologic says under every screen (suspension, engine, trans, etc), "lost communication with instrument cluster". Has happened a few more times over the last few weeks, but only the parking brake light comes on. Shut off, restart, light out but when checked on Autologic, it's like only the parking brake light came on but the other systems lost comm with instrument cluster again. Any other thoughts Discostew?

 

[discostew]

I seem to get these weird issues too. Looks like it is the instrument cluster on mine. Driving along, Bong, bong, all lights on dash but doesn't stall. Shut off, back on, lights gone, carry on. Autologic says under every screen (suspension, engine, trans, etc), "lost communication with instrument cluster". Has happened a few more times over the last few weeks, but only the parking brake light comes on. Shut off, restart, light out but when checked on Autologic, it's like only the parking brake light came on but the other systems lost comm with instrument cluster again. Any other thoughts Discostew?

It sounds like you have a can network going down. I bet you forgot to mention that the door locks cycle when it happens. If not then its your high speed can. You need to get that looked at or eventually its going to leave you stranded.

Don't assume that the inst cluster is causing this. Clusters have in very isolated cases caused can network faults that defy all reason and give absolutely no clue as to a direction to go. I have had one acting up in front of me with the diagnostic pc on it. cleared codes and reread them after I could duplicate it. You would swear your looking at two different cars. No codes duplicated in the list but system down all lights flashing or on(Christmas tree).The reason it causes such weird shit is the cluster is the gateway and it has terminating resistors for both hi and med speed can networks.

Networks go down for a lot of reasons, most of them come down to a quick 2 or 3 hours. Failure codes will normally draw up a real good crime scene. I would bet money you have something else going on just because of the odds. Just to keep it interesting, the cluster will be yours to keep right or wrong. Once it learns a vin it is done it can not be relocated to another vehicle even with Land Rovers most current diagnostic equipment. Its going to cost you about 1000 for the part and at least 2.5 hours for install and programming.Its what I call a really expensive dart.

 

[singingcamel]

It sounds like you have a can network going down. I bet you forgot to mention that the door locks cycle when it happens. If not then its your high speed can. You need to get that looked at or eventually its going to leave you stranded.

Don't assume that the inst cluster is causing this. Clusters have in very isolated cases caused can network faults that defy all reason and give absolutely no clue as to a direction to go. I have had one acting up in front of me with the diagnostic pc on it. cleared codes and reread them after I could duplicate it. You would swear your looking at two different cars. No codes duplicated in the list but system down all lights flashing or on(Christmas tree).The reason it causes such weird shit is the cluster is the gateway and it has terminating resistors for both hi and med speed can networks.

Networks go down for a lot of reasons, most of them come down to a quick 2 or 3 hours. Failure codes will normally draw up a real good crime scene. I would bet money you have something else going on just because of the odds. Just to keep it interesting, the cluster will be yours to keep right or wrong. Once it learns a vin it is done it can not be relocated to another vehicle even with Land Rovers most current diagnostic equipment. Its going to cost you about 1000 for the part and at least 2.5 hours for install and programming.Its what I call a really expensive dart.

Impressed with this ..Wow
Haven't called the guy, I may stay clear of this one..Thanks guys.

 

[Colin hughes]

It sounds like you have a can network going down. I bet you forgot to mention that the door locks cycle when it happens. If not then its your high speed can. You need to get that looked at or eventually its going to leave you stranded.

Don't assume that the inst cluster is causing this. Clusters have in very isolated cases caused can network faults that defy all reason and give absolutely no clue as to a direction to go. I have had one acting up in front of me with the diagnostic pc on it. cleared codes and reread them after I could duplicate it. You would swear your looking at two different cars. No codes duplicated in the list but system down all lights flashing or on(Christmas tree).The reason it causes such weird shit is the cluster is the gateway and it has terminating resistors for both hi and med speed can networks.

Networks go down for a lot of reasons, most of them come down to a quick 2 or 3 hours. Failure codes will normally draw up a real good crime scene. I would bet money you have something else going on just because of the odds. Just to keep it interesting, the cluster will be yours to keep right or wrong. Once it learns a vin it is done it can not be relocated to another vehicle even with Land Rovers most current diagnostic equipment. Its going to cost you about 1000 for the part and at least 2.5 hours for install and programming.Its what I call a really expensive dart.

Yup, right about leaving me stranded and right about doors locking and unlocking. Happened this morning, first parking brake light, then all lights, doors locking/unlocking, tach, fuel gauge, temp gauge and speedo all moving like being possessed (that might not be far from the truth). Stopped, restarted, all went out. Drive a 1/2 a km of so, all back again, tried this a couple times with the same thing happening but the suspension was starting to drop a bit each time so I called for a tow. Cluster has been ordered. No refurbished ones like my tech has been able to get in the past. At least the $1k is in CDN $ but I'm sure he'll pass along his dealer discount. With everything happening, still working on the P0420 code. Have an O2 sensor to put in the pass downstream side. Hoping it's not but if tha is the cats and with this, Merry Christmas LR3.

 

[discostew]

Yup, right about leaving me stranded and right about doors locking and unlocking. Happened this morning, first parking brake light, then all lights, doors locking/unlocking, tach, fuel gauge, temp gauge and speedo all moving like being possessed (that might not be far from the truth). Stopped, restarted, all went out. Drive a 1/2 a km of so, all back again, tried this a couple times with the same thing happening but the suspension was starting to drop a bit each time so I called for a tow. Cluster has been ordered. No refurbished ones like my tech has been able to get in the past. At least the $1k is in CDN $ but I'm sure he'll pass along his dealer discount. With everything happening, still working on the P0420 code. Have an O2 sensor to put in the pass downstream side. Hoping it's not but if tha is the cats and with this, Merry Christmas LR3.

I'm sorry to hear that. Thats a lot of money to spend. Sounds more to me like a shorted wire. Its always a converter when you have a P0420 code. The o2 sensors have to pass all the rediness tests in order to flag that fault.

The key to finding these network faults you have is to think of this can network as a party line phone. You younger city kids have never seen one but here is how it worked. If the phone rang twice fast it was for one house, it had a different ring for each house on the line. If it wasnt your ring you ignored it. If your neigbor was on the phone and you picked it up you would hear them talking. The network is a big party line, every message has an identifier and a priority code. If the abs is screaming that the brake fluid was empty, the body controler has to wait to tell you the door isnt latched. So that being said normal activity in the line looks like 2.6ish volts. But in reality its a bunch of peaks going oposit directions and the average is what your reading. So if the other modules are screaming cause they cant talk to the inst. cluster. the thing to do is see if you have that voltage right at the cluster. If you do the phone line up to the house is good and the problem is in the house so to speak. I would say MOST times you have no voltage on one side of it, or shrted to 12 volts. That would be what I expect to see. But for networks I usually use a scope so I watch the actual bursts of info(bits) and not just an average (voltage). Also one thing that will help you understand this is have your tech unplug the park brake module when the car is running, it will look exactly like what you have going on. I'm sorry to say but your mechanic may be in over his head on this one.

 

[Colin hughes]

I'm sorry to hear that. Thats a lot of money to spend. Sounds more to me like a shorted wire. Its always a converter when you have a P0420 code. The o2 sensors have to pass all the rediness tests in order to flag that fault.

The key to finding these network faults you have is to think of this can network as a party line phone. You younger city kids have never seen one but here is how it worked. If the phone rang twice fast it was for one house, it had a different ring for each house on the line. If it wasnt your ring you ignored it. If your neigbor was on the phone and you picked it up you would hear them talking. The network is a big party line, every message has an identifier and a priority code. If the abs is screaming that the brake fluid was empty, the body controler has to wait to tell you the door isnt latched. So that being said normal activity in the line looks like 2.6ish volts. But in reality its a bunch of peaks going oposit directions and the average is what your reading. So if the other modules are screaming cause they cant talk to the inst. cluster. the thing to do is see if you have that voltage right at the cluster. If you do the phone line up to the house is good and the problem is in the house so to speak. I would say MOST times you have no voltage on one side of it, or shrted to 12 volts. That would be what I expect to see. But for networks I usually use a scope so I watch the actual bursts of info(bits) and not just an average (voltage). Also one thing that will help you understand this is have your tech unplug the park brake module when the car is running, it will look exactly like what you have going on. I'm sorry to say but your mechanic may be in over his head on this one.

Yes, I do remember party lines. I'll mention this to him but he is a LR Master Tech and one of the best people I know for solving wiring issues on all LR models. I had thought it might be a wire with the parking brake as well.

 

[discostew]

Yes, I do remember party lines. I'll mention this to him but he is a LR Master Tech and one of the best people I know for solving wiring issues on all LR models. I had thought it might be a wire with the parking brake as well.

If he works on these he knows how the can network works. Who knows maybe he sees something. But it's a very rare failure

 

[discostew]

If it does only need a cluster, there are some posts on the nanocom owners support forum where someone was successfully able to put a used cluster in a D3 or LR3. I think the miles were messed up, but other than that it worked, which is saying something because it stores a copy of the CCF file.

I can assure you he did not do that. It's a security thing . It's never gonna start for any other Truck. Even Land Rover can't get the vin out of one. They sent me a brand new one one time that had all.zeros in the vin instead of blank. Spent a long time on it before they sent another one.people say all kinds of shit on boards.