Jeep axles

Bannon88

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northcountryre said:
Hey Guys I know your having fun but I never said should I buy a Jeep or a Rover. I said I have a jeep. A couple actually. I've had almost every model Jeep universal ever made at one time or another. I'm not selling a Jeep to get a Rover. I work in the public for my job so unfortunatly the perception of other people matter. I want a cool truck I enjoy that doesn't get stuck or break and doesn't scream white trash. Rovers have really lousy resale value so used ones are cheap and they seem to fit the bill. Why has no one gone near my drivetrain questions. I've made no Jeep comparisons. Rovers have little puny tires and limited clearance its objective not opinion. If you put larger tires on them will they break? Does anyone know any thing about sizes or capacities other than its better than a Jeep. Are axle shafts 1.5 35 spline or 1 inch 10 spline. Are the ring gears 11 inch or 7.5? Does the rubber rag joint in the rear shaft fail often? Do they even all have this?

No, just a couple of days ago he didn't own a Rover, but nearly every Jeep eer made and a Chevy Avalanche. And by his new questions he sure has been researching all of those questions we didn't answer.

MilSpec said:
Why do you keep talking about Defenders. You have a Disco. Go ahead an put those "better" 44's under it and see how long it lasts. Why not find some PS drop 60's (very plentiful in parts and aftermarket support) and be done. Or, go yota. That's proven in a rover.

And we're still waiting on the pics of a Defender with an atlas. Or ANY Rover with an altas. I think Justin only had what, 5 adapters made. And how many actually have one in their rig now.

Yeah, how about those pics?
 

MilSpec

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I'm not sure what makes this truck a Land Rover, besides a part of the bulkhead and letters on the edge of the hood.


We all know about Eddie's truck. Custom built tube frame buggies don't count. Where's the Defenders he knows so well.
 

MUSKYMAN

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northcountryre said:
I know many will think this idea is a sacrilage but it beats using toyota parts. The new JK rubicon has D44s that are larger w/ bigger bearings and pinions than before. They're a little wider and have coil brackets that may be adapted. They also come w/ lockers and 4:10s. The axles are available as a MOPAR part from a dealer for $1400 each. There's said to be a D60 version coming soon from the mil-spec JKs sold in the middleeast. I know the axles are for a Jeep but you proud sensative types could say they're MOPAR axles. Damn , I'm gonna be hated on this board as a Jeep Lover, oh well.

northcountryre said:
I want a Disco. I've been lurking around once in a while to "research" the trucks a little. I've always liked how they look but recently drove one at a local buy-here-pay-here lot. I felt a little guilty test driving it as I had no intention of purchasing a vehicle there but thought I could see how a well used one drove. I like the vehicles but seem to find nothing but negatives about them. I don't want to twist any ones panties, I'm not bashing rovers I just don't understand some things about them as they're a little rare around here.
1. Small low power v8, relatively light vehicle= low mpg?
2. Under powered engine needs premium fuel?
3. Relatively small tires (265-285's) break parts?
4. People claim it's a stout truck but how does the drivetrain compare to domestics? (dana 30, 44,)
5. The one I drove was beat but tight. Are they all this slow?
Thanks I appreciate the help


you know the more I look at your situation the more I think you need to go by your jeep and go away:seeya:
 

derrickalda

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MilSpec said:
Why do you keep talking about Defenders. You have a Disco. Go ahead an put those "better" 44's under it and see how long it lasts. Why not find some PS drop 60's (very plentiful in parts and aftermarket support) and be done. Or, go yota. That's proven in a rover.

And we're still waiting on the pics of a Defender with an atlas. Or ANY Rover with an altas. I think Justin only had what, 5 adapters made. And how many actually have one in their rig now.
there is a buggy defender that west coast rovers made in this months peterson. thats what hes referring to. its really nice!

I'm got most my parts to go Toyota, and Keith and numerous other people swear to the strength of this set-up. some say equivalent to 60s
 

Mongo

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MUSKYMAN said:
Oh god forbid you were to use toyota parts...they are just so bad and unreliable:rolleyes:


these same posts come back year after year...set up a disco and go break some shafts climbing walls then worry about upgrades


Yeah Thom, toy axles suck ass...wouldn't put them on a...





, wait that's what I put under mine...not as strong a dana 60, but close


why would put a d44 under a disco, it's not any stronger than a built rover axle...
 

Roving Beetle

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I have a set of D44 axles from a 79 wide track Cherokee sitting in my storage shop. They are low miles and excellent shape. I have a bending brake, lathe, milling machine, plasma cutter, a mig welder, an arc welder and a TIG welder as well as all the parts, space and knowledge needed to throw the pair under my truck. It would ne an "easy" swap........ will I do it??? NO WAY!!!!! They are not worth it and never ever will be.

Did I throw a what some would call piece of crap Heep t-case in my truck? Yup, sure did, but I know full well the downsides and trade offs. For all practical purposes it would be very very easy to swap in something beefier and besides my 2000 didn't have the CDL nipple since the t-case was replaced later on with a new one.

I have access to a set of Toy axles, both locked. Nice set that will probably go under my truck some day. But for now it will get HD axles.... the T-case will fucksplode before the axles anyway! :smilelol:
 

jhmover

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I'd think anyone with the actual knowledge to do something like this a) wouldn't have to ask about it on here and b) would have enough brains not to do it to begin with.
 

Mongo

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jhmover said:
I'd think anyone with the actual knowledge to do something like this a) wouldn't have to ask about it on here and b) would have enough brains not to do it to begin with.


nailed that one
 

superpowerdave

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Dude ... just go away.

Go buy a Jeep - you'll have a matching set in the driveway. Stop trying to reinvent the wheel with guys who've been there done that, saw it fail, moved on. If you have such a hard-on for a Jeep go buy one ... oh wait, you can't get a Jeep to do what a Disco will do without zip-up windows and cloth seats can you? And that just looks tacky on those real estate adventures doesn't it?
 

maxyedor

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Dana 44 axels are CRAP! Seriously they're heavy as shit, not especially strong, a bitch to work with, expensive, and the stock Jeep shit is not even a semi-floater.
 

robertf

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maxyedor said:
Dana 44 axels are CRAP! Seriously they're heavy as shit, not especially strong, a bitch to work with, expensive, and the stock Jeep shit is not even a semi-floater.

uhh, they aren't a semi-floater? Wierd, they'll have to throw out most of the chassis books at the library ;)

You have an odd definition of crap. I wonder what the ring and pinion failure ratio is of rover to dana 44. 10:1 maybe?

Do you think they are crap because of broken knuckles on vehicles with spooled front ends and improperly setup steering stops using hydraulic ram steering with no thought of physics behind the ram mount, or is there another reason?

I'm not supporting this idea, but the regurgitation of misinformation on this site lately has been shocking.
 
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D44's especially the new ones are not CRAP. While I do not agree with trying to mod them to put them under the disco( and never would) they most certainly are not crap..

You also said they were expensive?: how is $1400 for an axle compleatly set up with wiring for the E-locker, Locker installed, and complete disk to disk expensive?

Price a new rover axle....

Again, I wouldnt mod it to put under my rig---but again I agree with the last poster.. they arent crap.
 

MUSKYMAN

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Dana 44's are very similar to rovers in strength...run a 35"tire on them and go drive really tough trails and they will fail at a very similar rate.

dead stock D44 have a well known habit of spitting out the c clips on the axle shaft u-joints this tears up both the shaft and the outer stub shafts yolks.

the fix is after market shafts with 360* snap rings and then the weak link moves to the pinion or the u-joint at the pinion.

the comment that rover ring gears fail at a rate of 10/1 compared to dana 44's is just total BS. from what I have seen they are very similar. I have torn up a number of dana 44 ring and pinions over the years running 33 and 35 " tires.

rover actually protects the axle components by limiting the ratio at the ring and pinion and puts more reduction in the transfercase. this allows a similarly overall geared trucks with less reduction in the axle itself.