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justinhaaga said:
Did you say Rainbow? I had one of those. It had a 5 MB hard drive and it never crashed.
It was so cool that when the 10 MB drives came out I was able to take it apart and upgrade the hard drive and I didn't need any Craftsman or Snapon tools.
Wow, finally a question on DWeb that I can answer with absolute authority!
I've been running Macs on the desktop for six years but I'd never use one to run DWeb. vBulletin is database-intensive and databases are, in turn, I/O intensive. You need a server that has the best I/O capacity for the money and the Mac is not that. If I was spec'ing out DWeb, here's what I'd use:
Sun Fire X4100
* One or two dual-core Opteron CPUs, depending on budget
* Dual 72G SAS drives, RAID1
* 4G RAM
* OpenBSD 4.0 for the operating system. It has great support for the LSI SAS controller, is quite minimalist, very fast, and very secure
If we were running PirateBB or the like, I would have at least three load-balanced X4100s and a beefy 4-way X4600 (16GB RAM) running the database.
Chris
I've been running Macs on the desktop for six years but I'd never use one to run DWeb. vBulletin is database-intensive and databases are, in turn, I/O intensive. You need a server that has the best I/O capacity for the money and the Mac is not that. If I was spec'ing out DWeb, here's what I'd use:
Sun Fire X4100
* One or two dual-core Opteron CPUs, depending on budget
* Dual 72G SAS drives, RAID1
* 4G RAM
* OpenBSD 4.0 for the operating system. It has great support for the LSI SAS controller, is quite minimalist, very fast, and very secure
If we were running PirateBB or the like, I would have at least three load-balanced X4100s and a beefy 4-way X4600 (16GB RAM) running the database.
Chris
OpenBSD rocks.
As for the rest of this thread... lol
It's a 7 terrabyte RAID 2gb fibre channel file server. The arguments about Desktop OSs, laptops not crashing, clockspeeds of RISC vs CISC processors, etc have pretty much nothing to do with this subject.
As for the rest of this thread... lol
It's a 7 terrabyte RAID 2gb fibre channel file server. The arguments about Desktop OSs, laptops not crashing, clockspeeds of RISC vs CISC processors, etc have pretty much nothing to do with this subject.
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terrapin said:
You call that authority? Running a website like this with 72G of drive space. LOL
Just some food for thought...
Federal contracts demand that contractors build new applications and systems on top of Windows technology, .NET usually, and either SQL or Oracle backends typically.
If a MAC can do anything and everything better, why would DHS be building critical, and I mean national security critical, applications on Windows?
I've used both systems and others over the last 25 years or so. For what I do, nothing compares to a PC. That's just for what I do. A MAC might be more appropriate for someone else but that's not for me to decide, just like its not for anyone else to decide what I should use.
Is it me or does it seem that all MAC users are Democrats? j/k.
Federal contracts demand that contractors build new applications and systems on top of Windows technology, .NET usually, and either SQL or Oracle backends typically.
If a MAC can do anything and everything better, why would DHS be building critical, and I mean national security critical, applications on Windows?
I've used both systems and others over the last 25 years or so. For what I do, nothing compares to a PC. That's just for what I do. A MAC might be more appropriate for someone else but that's not for me to decide, just like its not for anyone else to decide what I should use.
Is it me or does it seem that all MAC users are Democrats? j/k.
Now THAT is scary! Speaking as someone who distributes software to and supports approx 80,000 Windows machines around the country.Steve said:
another110 said:
man.. imacs has it in the right down corner yes in the back, but you can placeyour thumb in the front and press the button with your middle finger, it is called ergonomic design, you are telling me that the death trap close to open circuits, 110 volts open jacks and a shit load of cables is equal to an imac?
what? don't you flavor my foot in the ceiling of your mouth?:rofl:
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sven95lwb said:
LOL.
This is the reason that I believe the Mac to be a superior platform. More stuff available to run? No. More cool stuff to run. Yes, IMO. Do they run better? Yes, IMO.
It certainly runs all the apps I need to run and more. Plenty of games for me, but all, no.
Many of the applications that I use and develope run better on a true multiprocessing OS. If you think winblows is a multiprocessing environment, you're kidding yourself, its a freaking hack from one processor on up with compatibility the primary concern. The result is a POS.
There are so many reasons that a MAC is better for artistic work, some is history, some is ease of use and some is performance.
I strayed from MACs quite a while ago, when the common thing to do was PC. I saw some artists (customes) move to PC as well. Some did not and some that did stray to PC are now heading back.
This is just like the detroit or ARB argument. Its preference. I'll always have a PC AND a MAC.
Steve said:
Ah, because they are lazy? The main reason-- Compatibility.
I am sure that in many contracts, there are room for makes, especially when the contract involves a superior solution.
I work with the government a lot and see more and more MACs, they are used where people think they do a better job.
bri said:
very well said, but I would just add that the availaility factor is no more an issue, we just got delivery of our new MacPro 3Ghertz Intel Xeon double/layered w/ 4GB-ram
and we handle each of our 1GB raster images like they were 600x480 in 72dpi
fucking incredible!
Simon.
Steve said:
Ahem, sorry Steve, but you are wrong. Also, who is DHS? Health and Human Services?
The HHS oversees the CDC. The CDC maintains a standard architecture called PHIN or Public Health Information Network. It is actually quite involved, and runs all of the country's Bio-Terrorism surveillance applications. Anyway, here is one of the PHIN hardware requirements ( http://www.cdc.gov/phin/preparedness/CFC_RSv1.0.pdf pg. 13):
"2.8 SYSTEM ARCHITECTURE
2.8.1 Platforms
2.8.1.1 PHIN preparedness systems should run on Windows NT/2000/XP, LINUX or UNIX platforms."
Since OS-X is actually a UNIX kernel, an Apple could easily be used to run a Federal application.
As far as Mac vs. Windows vs. Linux? Who cares? An OS is nothing more than an appliance that delivers applications. Find what works for you and run with it. I have two Linux boxes and several Windows machines. I have had OS-X on a Powerbook. All are pretty good and have thier ups and downs. I choose Windows mostly because application availability is better. I am starting to like the new SuSE Linux 10.1 though.
Also - the Xserve that the original poster linked is a nice box for an IDE box. Actually very fast for the money with tons of storage. It would not be as fast as what Dweb is on now though.
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Bigred - Yep, I bet you are right. Thats actually where my money comes from to develop the systems we do.
The feds are pretty good about not mandating and OS and thats the way it should be. Like I said, and OS is just an appliance and there are various best-of-breed applications that run better on one OS over another. Our applications for BT surveillance are currently running on Linux for the ap & web servers and AIX UNIX for the Oracle back end. No Windows and 100% up to Federal specs
The feds are pretty good about not mandating and OS and thats the way it should be. Like I said, and OS is just an appliance and there are various best-of-breed applications that run better on one OS over another. Our applications for BT surveillance are currently running on Linux for the ap & web servers and AIX UNIX for the Oracle back end. No Windows and 100% up to Federal specs