Help with wrecked D-90...

[cbass]

OK guys, first off, it's really good to see the site up and running again. It's been a while!!

I have posted this over on www.d-90.com and the thread can be accessed here > http://www.d-90.com/forum/showthread.php?p=35169#post35169

I also wanted to post here (even though some of you have seen it already), because there's such a vast pool of knowledge here too. Anyway, to make it short, my brother wrecked our d-90 into a tree (see links to photos below)

http://img135.exs.cx/img135/8690/landywreck50vt.jpg
http://img135.exs.cx/img135/4691/landywreck41zf.jpg
http://img135.exs.cx/img135/2921/landywreck30tl.jpg
http://img135.exs.cx/img135/9424/landywreck23hm.jpg

When I took those pics, I couldn't really crawl under the car because it had been raining and I still had to go into work. I suspected the frame to be bent but just recently was able to go to the shop to see how bad it really is. It's not repairable and will have to be replaced.

Below I copied one of the posts from d-90.com, here it is:

The frame was bent, I was finally able to crawl under it and have a look around now that it's at a shop. The drivers side frame rail is bent really good and buckled just behind the front tire where the frame rail bends downward from coming over the axle. The metal is buckled more than 90 degrees, so straightening it is out of the question. It'll be a full frame replacement (which I am actually very happy about). The only problem is it's getting closer and closer to the insurance company talking about totalling it rather than repairing it. The estimate is up to $17,627 now (man I could do a lot if I had that much in cash!!!).

Attached is a full (so far at least) list of parts needed. I am posting it because I am hoping that some of you will have some of these parts cheaper (and faster) than what is quoted on the estimate. James, the guy running the repair shop is really good and has done quite a few Land Rovers and one other Defender. That other Defender was on the lot for 11 months because the parts took so long to get there. I really don't want to leave my truck there for that long, so any help is appreciated. Also, if I can find a better deal that what is quoted, I can maybe get some extra money out of the deal because insurance will reimburse you for the retail price (at least that's what I hear so far, anybody can correct me if I'm wrong).


Here's a link to the pdf parts list. Let me know if anyone has any of these parts!!

http://www.d-90.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=2645

Hope that works for you if you're not a member over at d-90. Let me know if it doesn't and I can host it somewhere else.

TIA!!

 

[curtis]

That sucks!

You are more than welcome to come peruse parts left over from my D2 rollover. I have a complete 4.0 with all ancillaries still attached as well as a bunch of other parts. Probably not much that you can use, but the offer is there. I am in SLC so its a pretty close drive.

 

[marc olivares]

brad,
i'd start making some phone calls

after a quick look at your list i see that this place is charging you $42.73 each for motor mounts that british pacific has for $11 each (thats $44 vs. $170.92)

if it were me i'd have the insurance company cut me the $17000 check and repair at a quarter of the cost, then pocket the rest of the money (which there will be a bunch of!)

you guys move yet?

 

[draaronr]

Do what Marc said, but don't let the total it out. If they do just buy it back. I would personally buy most the parts from England. I buy pretty regularly and have had great luck so far.

 

[Disco_Stu]

Hey Curtis, you wouldn't happen to have a rear drivers side mud flap on that wrecked DII would ya?

If so send me an email to s.huddleston@onebox.com

-Stuart

 

[Ron]

Pocket 17000, sell to me take money and buy a new one.

Seriously if you will consider selling this at ALL please please please please email me.

I will tell you right now this is a disaster to repair a D-90 though any shop. I have, like you, seen them sit for over a year while being repaired.

It is especially bad because it is a 94, those fenders are NLA, as is the AC stuff if it had it (in which case it is $3000 for a new system). The frames are impossible to get, as is that winch bumper.

The only thing I would do is ship it to ECR, but again you are talking a year plus due to backlog (actually in ECR terms this is an easy fix so maybe they could do it quicker).

evilfij at yahoo.com

Ron

 

[Ron]

I can tell you right now the winch bumper lists for more than $500, that is the part number for the stock bumper, so add $1000 to that estimate.

I see the R.O. says it has AC, so now you are talking an additional $3500 installed for the updated system because all of that is NLA.

I also don't see inner fenders listed, there is another $500.

Get the estimate up to the max you can, take the cash and sell the truck (even if it is not to me) with a non salvage title you will more than get enough to buy a much nicer D90.

Ron

 

[antichrist]

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The frames are impossible to get, as is that winch bumper.
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You mean those places in the UK advertising frames for D90's don't really have any?

 

[EricSiepmann]

Get the check. I would keep the truck and call George at RoversDownSouth and see what he has in stock.

I would dump the rolling chasis on the market and have George get you a new Galv frame, 300tdi, R380, Bulkhead, axle assemblies, well you get the idea. Prime candidate for a smoker re-power.

Check JimC's thread on d-90.com when it's back up. Got a whole new truck for around 20k with sales from his old parts.

EwS

 

[Ron]

"You mean those places in the UK advertising frames for D90's don't really have any"

Some do some don't but none of them have the right frame for an NAS d-90 in stock, ricahrds time frame was 12 weeks when I last checked, plus shipping on the boat etc.

NAS is different.

 

[dave_lucas]

They have a link (right under the directions link) for a NAS chassis on their site so it might be worth a try

http://www.richardschassis.co.uk/index.htm

 

[dmarchand]

DL is correct. You can get a NAS chassis from Richards. But you need to go through their US distributor, Dap-inc.com.

 

[cbass]

Thanks for the replies guys. They are very helpful. We are definately keeping the truck, and we are trying to do everything we can to not total it. I have been looking on some of the parts also, and know that lots of them are cheaper than quoted.

Curtis, I may be up sometime to take a look at what you have and see if any of it will work for us. Thanks for the offer!!

Marc,
We are in the process of moving today and tomorrow. I'll shoot you an email when we get all settled with details of where we live. For now, it's near the mouth of Emigration Canyon near Hogle Zoo.

I have checked with DAP for frames, and they charge kind of a steep price... $3,700 for a galvy. I think what we'll do is try to source a used one from say ECR and then have it galvanized here (there's a place near here in West Jordan that'll do it for about $140 and another place that will sandblast it for $90 so it''l be worth it). Anyway, keep the suggestions/ideas coming, I'll keep this thread updated.

*****Mods, I realized I probably should have put this in the defender Forum, so if you want to move it, please do!!! Sorry****

 

[antichrist]

"You mean those places in the UK advertising frames for D90's don't really have any"

Some do some don't but none of them have the right frame for an NAS d-90 in stock, ricahrds time frame was 12 weeks when I last checked, plus shipping on the boat etc.

NAS is different.

Ok, but that's not the same as "impossible to get".

 

[Ron]

"impossible to get" in a timely manner.

Anything is possible.

Yes they have a link for NAS but just like the Series I chassis I was looking at there is a lengthy lead time in getting it.

 

[Kyle]

You are kidding me right ? Get it up on a frame machine and pull it before you do anything else to it. Then remove the sheet metal and do some additional pulls on the inner panels. That truck aint hurt from what I can see and I suspect that is why Ron is panting so hard over it... New frames ? Millions of dollars ?

 

[Ron]

I think the frame is a write off. I mean I would consider straitening it, but the couple I have seen done never worked out. They end up looking like a parrellelgram (sp?) or with one rail higher than the other and then nothing fits or lines up etc.. You can't see that type of damage unless you really look but from the looks of that hit that is the way it is. You could certainly heat it up, beat/pull it strait and weld a plate or two over it but I would not consider that a repair long term.

Why I am interested is because me and the gang could do a frame swap in a day at the shop (two tech at LR ML had a new frame under a DII in a day and a half) or a few anywhere else and I don't really care if it has the right fenders or AC any of the other 100 items of bullshit that think needs to be put back right.

The used ECR frame is the way to go but then you have some issues selling it. Better to grind off the number and call it a new frame . . .

That and I have a white hood already . . .

 

[rover4x4]

I thought the only difference with the TDI frame and the NAS frame was a motor mount or something simple that had to be welded?? I hope you keep your truck and are able to get things worked out. there are plenty of resources availible so dont worry you can get your parts.

 

[Blueboy]

Product: 1994 NAS DEFENDER; Price: 16995.00 - from LRX



get as much as you can from the insurance with a total loss, buy it back for about 10-20% of salvage value, buy a used one like the one listed above on LRX, combine the best of the 2. you're back in a D90.

or use the VIN and build whatever wild and crazy 110, 130, etc. variant you want.


Jaime

 

[Kyle]

Holy shit , I really am reading this. Ron , its not a heat up and bend thing or a hammer thing. Its a Frame machine and guage thing. Its a datum line thing... You know , pulled the right way ?