HD programming + DVR Options?

Mike_Rupp

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I currently have Directv with 2 tivo boxes that aren't HD. We want to buy a receiver that has HD + DVR. Directv has a HD DVR receiver but gets terrible reviews: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/cu...=172282&qid=1185759110&sr=8-2#customerReviews.

I'm a little leary of spending $300 for a crappy setup.

Can you give me some experiences that you have with HD & DVR? A couple options that I'm considering are Dish Network and Comcast.
 
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Aaron98Disco

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Mike_Rupp said:
I currently have Directv with 2 tivo boxes that aren't HD. We want to buy a receiver that has HD + DVR. Directv has a HD DVR receiver but gets terrible reviews: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/customer-reviews/B000K6EQNG/sr=8-2/qid=1185759110/ref=cm_cr_dp_all_helpful/105-7191783-1465210?ie=UTF8&n=172282&qid=1185759110&sr=8-2#customerReviews.

I'm a little leary of spending $300 for a crappy setup.

Can you give me some experiences that you have with HD & DVR? A couple options that I'm considering are Dish Network and Comcast.

I have the dtv hd linked above.. I had to exchange my first one.. it had a terrible vibration & was loud. The new one works great & I have had zero problems. I miss the tivo features of my non hd dvr.. but this one does just about all the stuff the tivo one did (with the exception of a wishlist). It has a good remote too.
 
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I have a dedicated computer with Media Center for all my "DVR" stuff. Although Media Center is a little out dated compaired to other programs, and I have never used this set-up for HD, I would consider this option over the boxes the cable companies try to sell you.

It's not cheap. My computer set up the way I wanted it cost over $1400.00. But, I geared it more torwards a music set-up than a TV rig. The sound card alone was over 300.00 plus all the fiber optic crap. But the nice thing about it is, I have 4 hard drives, an external 100 for music only, an external 300 for recorded tv, an internal 80 for internet stuff and pictures, and an internal 40 for back-up junk... I few of the nice things about it are that it takes the place of a DVD player, CD player, DVR, radio receiver, has all your music loaded onto a HD, ability to download music right off the internet to your PC, ability to burn music CD or DVD's, no monthly DVR fees, software updates, and works really well with home theator systems. Then, if you wanted to get really fancy, you can add something like a sling box and watch your TV anywhere you have an internet connection..

You could probably build a super fast Shuttle PC for like 600.00 or 700.00 and the thing would be no bigger than a mac-mini. You can get really creative with all the options avaliable.
 

nrene

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I just 'upgraded' to HD. Previous setup was Dish Network with Series 2 Tivo.

I debated going Comcast Cable to enable me to get the Series 3 Tivo, but I couldn't justify the up front $700ish for the S3 Tivo (and this was before the 'Lite' version came out).

So, I stayed with Dish, and got their VIP622 HD-PVR. I also retained my old Dish receiver and Series 2 Tivo.

I now can record 2 HD programs and 1 SD program at once (+ 1 HD OTA if I had antennae).

Tivo at "Best" quality looks 'ok' on the HDTV (but MUCH better than on my 16 year old 27" tube)... so we use it for the Tivo Selections and Amazon Unbox downloads.

The Dish 622 PVR was voted most-capable by C-Net. It seems to do what I want, and is only slightly less usable than Tivo. It was a learning curve, and I still prefer the Tivo... but I'm locked for 18 months now, and I think I feel OK about it.

I think the biggest 'issue' with the Dish 622 is the lack of skip-back when FFWding like the Tivo. Though, it has 30 second skip, so I just use that, and am pretty happy.

The biggest 'annoyance' with the Dish 622 is that you have to find the programs in the Guide to 'Set a Timer'. I much prefer to not have to worry about channel and time, and just selet from the huge list of program names like on Tivo. That way when someone says, "Did you see the new show XXX", I didn't need to know anything more, I just looked it up and set it to record. Now I need to know when and where, scroll through to find it, and set a timer. PITA.
 

road1will

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I thought Directv had a HD Tivo receiver? Did they stop carrying it? I would buy a used one on ebay - it was a nice box i loved it when I had it.
 

rob mellor

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I heard that the older HD tivo based versions aren't compatible with the new mpeg 4 HD that DTV will be launching with the new sats. I didn't look into it much, that's just what I heard. I'd hate for you to go that route then not be able to access the new DTV HD stuff this fall.

I have the HR20 box and haven't had any complaints. One thing that I hear from x tivo users is about the dual tuners. On the HR20 you cant just switch between tuners, if you change the channel you loose your buffer.
 

nrene

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Rob, good point. I had forgotten about that. I think you are right on both cases (MP4 and changing channels). The channel thing is a Tivo 'Feature' irrespective of DT or not (I think).
 

rob mellor

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Ya I just did some googleing, the HR10 is the older HD tivo and it wont do mpeg 4. Which isn't a big deal right now because only the DTV locals are mpeg4 (which you can get with an over the air antenna) but all of the new HD programing this fall will be mpeg 4. So it's sounds like they or forcing people to the HR20, the tivo 3 does mpeg4 but I dont know much bout it.

I heard that they didn't include the "real" dual live tuners on the HR20 cause then they would have to pay tivo royalties since that's a tivo feature. On my HR20 I can record 2 shows off the dish. But I cant watch 2 foot ball games and switch between the tuners and fast forward through the commercials.
 

David Despain

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how bout an update from everyone?
i have had the old direct tv dvr for about 3 yrs and after the software "update" they released in feb or so the thing sucks huge donkey dick. always locking up and skiping and cutting out in recordings and playback.
so we got a new HD tv and now we are looking for HD signal. i called DTV and they wouldn't give us an HD DVR for free so i looked at dish network and they advertise that deal in the online ad.
i am happy with the programing of DTV and dont know shit about dish network. any real world head to head comparison of the two?
 

Alyssa

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I HATE Comcast (the company), but really love the programming, HD content & DVR. All Comcasts are not equal, however... my mom has the same plan as I do and has a completely useless On Demand system, TERRIBLE on-screen guide, virtually no information on programs, and VERY few HD Channels (she's in Charleston, SC). The receivers are constantly rebooting, and the system is painfully slow to respond. It's the worst system I've ever seen. She can only search for programs ONE DAY at a time. Program listings are only available for a week in advance. She has to go to a "DVR channel" to watch her recorded programs, which means she can't watch a recorded program & record 2 other programs at the same time (I can). Her HD picture quality is also not that great (and her TV is awesome... it's Comcast that's the problem).
On mine (I'm in suburban Philly), I have over a month of listings at a time, which I can search at once. I can find a program I like, then look for all instances of that program. I have tons of HD content... there are very few channels I watch that don't have an HD counterpart. I can watch a program on my DVR while recording 2 other programs. Actually, I can watch one while recording 4 programs at once, since I have 2 dual-tuner HD DVR boxes. That you can't do with Verizon Fios. My On Demand content is GREAT. It's pretty quick to respond, and is much easier than searching through the listings for something to watch. I also tend to find programs On Demand that aren't available on live TV. My only beef is that there aren't nearly as many HD offerings On Demand as are available On Demand in standard def. Especially annoying is that HBO doesn't offer HD On Demand programming, so I have to manually record any programs I want to watch from HBO (in HD). When you have a big plasma TV, it's almost painful to watch something in standard definition... HD is a big deal!!
Price wise, even though Comcast is crazy expensive, Verizon Fios is even more expensive to get the same content. When I priced it out (even using the promotions!!) Fios was about $50/month more. Plus, I'll need a receiver for every one of my TVs, and since I currently have a few wall-mount TVs with no receiver, that's an issue for me. I don't want a big honkin' receiver in the kitchen, for instance. I've got a nice clean install now. Where would I put the stinkin' thing?
When I had Dish TV in Virginia, it was constantly going out, especially when it rained (just when you want to watch TV!). When the leaves filled in, the reception also went south. I just worry about Dish... my Sirius goes out so frequently that I'm afraid it might be more of the same if I switched to them. Plus, I have such tall trees, I don't know that I'll get a good signal.
Phew. Enough info?
:)
 

Mike_Rupp

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I ended up getting Comcast for service and buying a Series 3 Tivo Box: http://www.amazon.com/TiVo-TCD64825...1?ie=UTF8&s=electronics&qid=1216831579&sr=8-1.

There was a $200 rebate running when I bought it, so the price wasn't too bad. My wife absolutely demanded Tivo since she's used and hated other DVRs. The downside to the Tivo box is that you lose the Ondemand feature of Comcast. The upside is that you can rent movies from Amazon Unbox.
 

az_max

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I still have ShowShifter set up on a PC for downloaded shows, use a hacked Tivo Series 1 with 300gb drive for recording shows. No HD stuff yet, but I'd probably go with a Tivo HD. I have to get off my ass and paint my next PC case to build a new HTPC. I have all the parts, and the case is sanded, just need to find time and space to paint it.