Cooper Discoverer S/T-C Report

R_Lefebvre

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I pulled the trigger on some 245/75/16 Cooper Discoverer S/T this morning. At least, that's what I thought I was getting. Turns out they gave me the S/T-C which is a special chip and cut resistant compound. They're supposed to be about $50 more each... I'm not sure if they goofed, or just unloaded some they couldn't sell at the higher price.

Initial impressions are that the truck is much more stable in yaw than it was with the P-metric tires I had on before. Those were pretty spooky, and I wouldn't have wanted to tow with them. These, much better. Turn in response is reduced from the P's, but yaw stability is much better. I'm not quite sure if the yaw stability is quite as good as the 18's I had originally, but it's ok for a truck.

The ride is not too bad either. I'm currently running 40psi front, 50 rear. On most normal roads, the ride is as good or better than it was with the 255/55/18's P-metric that came on the truck. When people say 10 ply tires ride stiff, it's all relative...

I did drive on one exceptionally rough pavement roads today and there was some harshness. I think some chop and wheel end shake. But, I can't directly compare because I never drove on that road with the other tires. It's the type of road that would be punishing on anything other than a Buick Roadmaster. :rofl:

They originally made a fair amount of noise, but they seem to quieten down a bit after only 100km. I wouldn't call them quiet tires, but they're not too bad, and I hope will get even better with more miles.

I have tested them on some light, wet greasy snow, and they did well, for an all-season. I was originally concerned because the -C rubber is firmer than the regular S/Ts. But, in my short test, I'd consider them acceptable for an all-season. They're no severe service winter, but they'll get around acceptably.

And of course, these tires look fantastic. Just what I was looking for. More aggressive than even a BFG A/T, but not a full on mudder.

In relation to my other post, I only bought 4 to start, but I think I'll find 1 or 2 more matching aluminum wheels and get matching spares and not worry about M/T tires. I can't imagine needing anything more than what these will offer off-road.
 

R_Lefebvre

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Well.... I was kinda afraid of this.

I filled up on Tuesday, and only put 121km on it since then, but it took 28.7. That's 10mpg. That's terrible... I've always gotten 14 before. So, I'll monitor this. I'll take 'em back if they knocked off 4mpg. I specifically asked the dealer if it would affect the milage and he said no.

It's a small sample size, so we'll see, but Jeebus...
 

fosterchild420

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I had 2 sets of these on my Jeep Grand Cherokee. Not the best gas milage unless you kept them all evenly inflated above 40 pounds. i got 48,000 miles out of the first set, the second set were still in good order when i sold the jeep. I never had to plug or patch either set and i live a farm so there are lots of nails, sharp rocks, etc. I will definately put them on my 07 toyota when the bfg's wear out. Will probably put them on the disco too.
 

R_Lefebvre

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Roverlady said:
You've always gotten 14 mpg with what size tire?

255/55/18 = 29"

245/75/16 = 30.5" give or take.

5% difference.

That part is irrelevant. The theoretical increase you'd get due to higher gearing is offset by increased wind resistance from the small lift.

What I'm really questioning is the rolling resistance of LT tires.

are you trying to say the the tiny jump in tire size cost you 4mpg?

I think there is another variable you must be missing.

Yeah, rolling resistance of LT tires.

I would never tow with mud flaps.

Thank you for the always meaningful input. Can't you at least pretend you have something better to do with your time? I can't imagine what it must be like to have so little going on in your life that you have time to waste making useless posts on an internet board. Don't you find it embarrassing?
 

MUSKYMAN

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R_Lefebvre said:
255/55/18 = 29"

245/75/16 = 30.5" give or take.

5% difference.

That part is irrelevant. The theoretical increase you'd get due to higher gearing is offset by increased wind resistance from the small lift.

What I'm really questioning is the rolling resistance of LT tires.



Yeah, rolling resistance of LT tires.



Thank you for the always meaningful input. Can't you at least pretend you have something better to do with your time? I can't imagine what it must be like to have so little going on in your life that you have time to waste making useless posts on an internet board. Don't you find it embarrassing?

:rolleyes:

oh come one ...grow some thicker skin. all I said was that you may be missing something.

your saying you had a 29% reduction in mileage from a 5% increase in tire size.

the same tire size change I have seen done on this board 100 times before you showed up here.

I cant recall anybody ever saying they had that kinda drop...yet you must be special because your highly aggresive special tires caused this:rolleyes:

if you didnt want opinions you shouldent have posted it.

go take your used tires back and tell the guy he caused you a huge reduction in MPG and let him laugh at you too.
 

rovercanus

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What is it with all these newbie poseur Canadians all of the sudden? Winter to long up there?
Talk about a worthless post, a review a Cooper tires? Wow! This should be stickied!
 

R_Lefebvre

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Musky, I didn't have a problem with your post... though obviously you're unaware of the huge effect different tire constructions can have on rolling resistance. 2mpg is scientifically proven amongst different P-metric tires of the same size. I don't know yet about P-metric vs. LT but I can imagine.

What is it with all these newbie poseur Canadians all of the sudden? Winter to long up there?
Talk about a worthless post, a review a Cooper tires? Wow! This should be stickied!

Hey how about this then... why don't you start a meaningful post then? What should we discuss then? Hey, how about we talk about RTE bumpers again!

Why don't you just ask the moderators to lock all the forums completely? Obviously everything worth discussing has already been discussed.

Roving Beetle was interested in the details. If you're not, keep the fuck out.
 

peter sherman

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Don't you find it embarrassing?
Well don't you!!!!
Indy test track next stop!


if you didnt want opinions you shouldent have posted it.
Becarful what you ask even though this is a kinder gentler dweb!


any ol way back to my boring mondane peice of shit life.. now where was i............ Oh yes CAMS!
 

peter sherman

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Hey how about this then... why don't you start a meaningful post then? What should we discuss then? Hey, how about we talk about RTE bumpers again!

Why don't you just ask the moderators to lock all the forums completely? Obviously everything worth discussing has already been discussed.

Roving Beetle was interested in the details. If you're not, keep the fuck out.


God yet another waste of band width!
Doesn't tirerack.com have a forum!
 

rovercanus

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Why are you always talking about RTE bumpers? If you like them so much, just get one.
Hmmm, can'tfind a post where you actually contributed anything. Maybe if I keep looking...
 
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MUSKYMAN

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R_Lefebvre said:
Musky, I didn't have a problem with your post... though obviously you're unaware of the huge effect different tire constructions can have on rolling resistance. 2mpg is scientifically proven amongst different P-metric tires of the same size. I don't know yet about P-metric vs. LT but I can imagine.



keep the fuck out.

the fact I have a D1 on 5" springs 34" tires with a SD rack and roof top tent and I still get 11mpg make me think you have other issues...but ignore me I have very little to share on the subject:D
 

R_Lefebvre

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PT, yes that's it. It's a minor effect, though probably offset by the taller gearing effect. Lifting with taller springs is another matter.

the fact I have a D1 on 5" springs 34" tires with a SD rack and roof top tent and I still get 11mpg make me think you have other issues...but ignore me I have very little to share on the subject

From what I've read here, D1's always get better milage than D2's to start with. Hell, I hope this isn't right, because I like these tires otherwise. And as I said, it's a really small sample. But I was shocked.
 

rovercanus

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ptschram said:
How does a lift increase wind resistance? The surface area of the truck hasn't changed. I suppose there might be slightly more of the suspension and tires exposed, but is it enough?
Yes, because cold air is denser, a lot like our newbie Canadians here.