Bye bye T-stat ?

Mongo

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DarylJ said:
The theory goes that if you move the water through the block and radiator too quickly it doesn't have enough time to conduct heat from the block or conduct heat to the radiator, so you end up overheating eventually.

One of Newton's laws says:
Q[heat transfer] = q A[surface area] = h[average heat xfer coefficient ] A[turface area](T[body] − T∞) = h[average heat xfer coefficient] A[surface area]∆T[temperature differential]

Which comes down to heat transfer (Q) is proportional to the surface area (A) and the temperature differential (∆T). So that means that the higher the temperature differential between the coolant and the surfaces it flows through, the easier it will be able to transmit heat (through conduction and radiation in this situation). This means that the only variable you have to control in a cooling system (without modifying it other than thermostat/restrictor plate versus nothing) is flow volume. With a lower flow volume being more efficient up to the boiling point of the coolant (which is bad for conductivity).

So there is a basic fluid dynamics argument that this can be true.

In reality its much more likely that the vehicles that creep to a steady overheat without a t-stat are either flowing poorly through the radiator at higher water velocities (flow pattern matters A LOT in a hear exchanger) or the water pump is caveating without the additional restriction in the system.

And that's all the physics I can handle for this time in the morning, and about as well as I can handle explaining it.

once again while in theory you are correct, in reality I have yet to have it overheat in 110 plus heat, sitting in traffic running the AC full blast. It has a new aftermarket radiator and new water pump, so it doesn't have a flow problem....
 

flyfisher11

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DarylJ said:
I'm not sure what that means, other than "I have no idea, but I think it's bad."

Data and observations are how you detect, diagnose and solve problems. "Feelings" and guessing is how you empty your wallet.

Guess that's why he specializes in exotic Italian autos ;) right Julian :victory:
 

DarylJ

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Mongo said:
once again while in theory you are correct, in reality I have yet to have it overheat in 110 plus heat, sitting in traffic running the AC full blast. It has a new aftermarket radiator and new water pump, so it doesn't have a flow problem....

I'm not disagreeing with you at all. In fact, I think that overheating with no stat or restrictor is mostly a tired old garage mechanic thing that gets passed on and on and on with no context. I've run plenty of things without stats with no problems at all. I've actually never seen something overheat without a stat in it that didn't have other problems to begin with.
 

bobkitten

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I live in the tropics. Every mechanic that i have been to here advocates removing the t stat cause it just ends up being problematic and without it the engine runs fine. My last vehicle was a 90's 3 series bmw. Drover 3 yrs with out thermostat no issues. It never used to hit the middle mark though. Generally sat just below half after removal. But it never ever ever overheated.

Did i mention I live in Barbados?

*On a side note.... my D2 v8 just overheated, no visible leaks and radiator is full. Guess what is going to get tossed tomorrow.