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Bed update, with thanks to all who contributed wit &/or wisdom on this thread. After making myself completely crazy in the quest, we ended up going a direction I'd not only never heard of before, but when I'd heard of it and read up on it, I swore I'd not get involved in! HA! Or rather, HAHAHAHA! I swore, and apparently, I lied. 
Much like Discoweb, I found a web site that was frequented by people who really knew their stuff, only in this case it was beds. I read until I was blind, pondered until my ponderer was sore, and then started making calls to vendors. We ended up with a 100% natural talalay latex mattress bed kit. The idea is that, much like the Sleep Number bed, you can customize the two sides of the bed for each sleeper, only instead of air you are layering latex rubber to achieve the desired sleep surface. Once the layers are zipped into the bed cover it looks just like a traditional mattress, takes the same sheets, etc.
After approximately 3 months I can report that this is the best bed I've ever slept on. My husband sleeps like a corpse and we both are waking up less achy than before. Though I swore I wouldn't get involved in what looked like a major project taken on only by bizarre bed freaks, I'm thrilled I tried it. It was easier than I'd feared, the company was fantastic to deal with, and we're much happier than we'd been dealing with the tricksters in the traditional mattress business.
Again, thanks for everyone's opinions and help, I listened to every bit of advice and ran down every lead.
KJ, :yawn: :yawn: zzzzzzz.....
Much like Discoweb, I found a web site that was frequented by people who really knew their stuff, only in this case it was beds. I read until I was blind, pondered until my ponderer was sore, and then started making calls to vendors. We ended up with a 100% natural talalay latex mattress bed kit. The idea is that, much like the Sleep Number bed, you can customize the two sides of the bed for each sleeper, only instead of air you are layering latex rubber to achieve the desired sleep surface. Once the layers are zipped into the bed cover it looks just like a traditional mattress, takes the same sheets, etc.
After approximately 3 months I can report that this is the best bed I've ever slept on. My husband sleeps like a corpse and we both are waking up less achy than before. Though I swore I wouldn't get involved in what looked like a major project taken on only by bizarre bed freaks, I'm thrilled I tried it. It was easier than I'd feared, the company was fantastic to deal with, and we're much happier than we'd been dealing with the tricksters in the traditional mattress business.
Again, thanks for everyone's opinions and help, I listened to every bit of advice and ran down every lead.
KJ, :yawn: :yawn: zzzzzzz.....
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D Chapman said:
Yup. Here's the link to the bed forum web site (click on "forum" for more than you'd ever care to know):
http://www.whatsthebest-mattress.com/
This is the vendor we bought from:
http://www.flobeds.com/
They sell a wide variety of types of beds, not just latex.
This is another company I talked to:
http://www.foamsweetfoam.com/index.htm
We didn't go with them because they didn't have a "loaner" program, and Flobeds does. In our case, our loaner bed was brand new, since the 100% natural talalay latex was a new product to them and just in. Also, Flobeds has a much more liberal return policy on layers, which we used to return one layer as we customized. Ends up, their customer service rep was exactly right on what firmness was right for both of us, and we ended up swapping out the one componant we'd chosen differently. We actually did that change on purpose, so we could mix things up a bit and better determine what was best for each of us. They were smarter than we were, but it was easy enough to return.
Gawd, I see the foundation I paid for is free with mattress purchase right now. Though I tried to buy something locally it wasn't working, and we bought the foundation from them, too. This freebie makes the package a great deal. Though not cheap, this whole set up is loads less than the mattresses we were looking at locally (we price-shopped close to a dozen outlets). Even buying the mattress, foundation and a beautiful new iron canopy bed frame, our total was less than the local inner spring mattresses. More importantly, for a variety of reasons we feel like we got the best product we could for us.
KJ
you didn't go with the Craftmatic? huh? i heard they were great for watching infomercials at 2 am.
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I slept on a "sleep by number" bed about 6-months ago at my uncles house. In all honesty, that was one of the best nights sleep I've had in a long, long time! In fact, I slept until 11:00AM without even flinching. It was great. But, I like this bed Karen is talking about. I'm going to look into it a little more. I've needed a new bed for about 2-years now.....
Rover Puppy said:Ed,
Since you know so much about matresses, I have a question for you.
Why do they cost so much? I mean, geez, you could buy a car for less that the price of a mattress.
Jamie
Try a company called "The Original Mattress Factory." It's a chain of stores in the mid-Atlantic area, but they actually make the mattresses at each site. Better made than most of the competitors, no hype, plus that are *way* cheaper than the big brand names. Markup on these things is amazing, which doesn't happen when you buy direct from the manufacturer.
Cheers
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i slept in one of those for about 2 years or so too Dan. back in the day when i was dating freak show Jen. but it was pretty nice. i am waiting to bring my new bed down to MD, but in the meantime i am suffering a bit on some Serta POS. is fine, but does not support my 225lbs all that well.
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Pretty good thread, but no mention of organic mattresses? I think we just got in line for one of these (my wife is running this project):
Organic Mattress
Organic Mattress
i knew you would chim in with that Mike. sarah has been harping on me that any new mattress coming into the house will be organic. i think she will have to fork out the $ for that purchase.
and yes 225 Dan. drinking whole milk for years and years will do that. haha. luckily being 6'-3" helps hide most of it. i am up to a 36" waist. but i mean look at Mike.........the boy has lost some weight due to Connie kicking his ass and keeping the boy off sugars, etc.
hmmm. interesting. those are made my Amish.
and yes 225 Dan. drinking whole milk for years and years will do that. haha. luckily being 6'-3" helps hide most of it. i am up to a 36" waist. but i mean look at Mike.........the boy has lost some weight due to Connie kicking his ass and keeping the boy off sugars, etc.
hmmm. interesting. those are made my Amish.
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garrett said:
I'm at 170 now, and I'm also 6' 3". Yesterday, I had a Whopper combo with fries and a coke. Day before that, I had a 10-pieces chicken nugget meal from McDonald's with fries and a coke. Day before that, I had another 10-piece chicken nugget meal, fries and a coke. Day before that, I had two fat ass burgers with all the toppings, and washed it down with a coke.
In other words.....don't pull that sugar shit on me. Regular exercise is what keeps the weight off.
oh Dan. you are still pretty young. you think because you are thin that you are healthy? you can't be that retarded.
it can and will catch up to you. not the weight, but something else. lots of seemingly healthy, thin people die at a young age. you of all people know that. and yes lots of fat pigs that eat like you do can live to be 90.
i just like reducing the odds and feeling better at the same time.
it can and will catch up to you. not the weight, but something else. lots of seemingly healthy, thin people die at a young age. you of all people know that. and yes lots of fat pigs that eat like you do can live to be 90.
i just like reducing the odds and feeling better at the same time.
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I've never seen any statistics that say eating Organic makes you live longer. It's all BS. Staying active is the key.
Eat organic and sit on your ass and see what happens.
Eat fatty/sugary and sit on your ass and see what happens. The end result will be the same.
Eat "bad shit" or organic and stay active and the end result is the same.
I'm not buying this whole organic BS. I'll eat the stuff, and I'll admit it's good. But, I'm not wrapping my entire life around the stuff.
They're exceptions to the rule on everything. But, look back 100 years ago - about everything was organic, yet the average life expectancy was ~60 years old. Now days, people work a regular job until their 65.....
I see it all week long. It's does not matter what your lifestyle is, when your time is up, it's up. But if you do not want to be some fat ass when your time is up, you had better excersize... Organic food or an organic bed is not going to do it for you.
Eat organic and sit on your ass and see what happens.
Eat fatty/sugary and sit on your ass and see what happens. The end result will be the same.
Eat "bad shit" or organic and stay active and the end result is the same.
I'm not buying this whole organic BS. I'll eat the stuff, and I'll admit it's good. But, I'm not wrapping my entire life around the stuff.
They're exceptions to the rule on everything. But, look back 100 years ago - about everything was organic, yet the average life expectancy was ~60 years old. Now days, people work a regular job until their 65.....
I see it all week long. It's does not matter what your lifestyle is, when your time is up, it's up. But if you do not want to be some fat ass when your time is up, you had better excersize... Organic food or an organic bed is not going to do it for you.
i am not talking about organic at all. just eating healthy. this does not mean you have to eat organic by any means.
i'm just saying be a bit more careful at what you eat. 100 years ago they were not using high fructose corn syrup or hydroginated oils. and people live longer can live longer too now because of meds. good and bad go along with this. sure they live til their 85, but what kind of quality? popping 10 different pills a day, just so i can get out of bed and take a piss..........then get back into bed and watch Jerry Springer all day.
about 40% of what i eat might be organic at best, but again this is not what i am preaching about.
one huge step was taken last week. the bill clinton foundation got the large soda companies to pull all soda (except diet.......which is still bad shit) from most high schools and elementary schools.
take a look around next time you are at McDonalds. what % of those people in there are fat or obese? 50..........60% or higher? i bet. so because that woman that can barely get in her car and lives to be 80.......well she must be healthy and all that McDonalds and soda had nothing to do with it? haha. oh sure.
right now we are in an epidemic. obesity is going to kill more US citizens in the next decade than anything else. it is only getting worse. why? look at our lifestyle and what we eat. we are eating ourselves to death. this is a fact. you can't question it because it is all around us.
ask your parents how many fat or obese kids they went to school with. now take a look at the kids coming out of elementary and grade school. the eat what their obese and fat parents eat. the parents don't have a clue. high fructose, hydrogenated oils, etc. there have been no quality long term studies done, but the American public is become that study. it's pretty clear now that the horrible foods we are eating are taking a toll on all of us.
now back to beds and woman.
i'm just saying be a bit more careful at what you eat. 100 years ago they were not using high fructose corn syrup or hydroginated oils. and people live longer can live longer too now because of meds. good and bad go along with this. sure they live til their 85, but what kind of quality? popping 10 different pills a day, just so i can get out of bed and take a piss..........then get back into bed and watch Jerry Springer all day.
about 40% of what i eat might be organic at best, but again this is not what i am preaching about.
one huge step was taken last week. the bill clinton foundation got the large soda companies to pull all soda (except diet.......which is still bad shit) from most high schools and elementary schools.
take a look around next time you are at McDonalds. what % of those people in there are fat or obese? 50..........60% or higher? i bet. so because that woman that can barely get in her car and lives to be 80.......well she must be healthy and all that McDonalds and soda had nothing to do with it? haha. oh sure.
right now we are in an epidemic. obesity is going to kill more US citizens in the next decade than anything else. it is only getting worse. why? look at our lifestyle and what we eat. we are eating ourselves to death. this is a fact. you can't question it because it is all around us.
ask your parents how many fat or obese kids they went to school with. now take a look at the kids coming out of elementary and grade school. the eat what their obese and fat parents eat. the parents don't have a clue. high fructose, hydrogenated oils, etc. there have been no quality long term studies done, but the American public is become that study. it's pretty clear now that the horrible foods we are eating are taking a toll on all of us.
now back to beds and woman.
To me, it's not so much living long or being thin, but living the highest quality that I can, which to me, is being as healthy as possible, having energy to spare and of course, having fun. I'm not saying I buy all the organic marketing hype either, as it depends on the products that are certified, in addition, the rules are under attack by big-agri and will be for some time.
The fact is (not my opinion) that the environment is generally toxic. Have your water and soil tested for toxicity, you'll be amazed at what comes back. Shit, flouride is a known carcinogen yet millions of tons of it is dumped in to public drinking systems.
I think the key is really how to get your body to remove or discard the toxins. Some bodies are more effective than others. Some have a higher "immunity" to these toxins, much like immunity to disease. There are many things you can do to improve your body's ability to remove toxins, chief among them is having a proper diet.
ONe of the biggest problems with the typical American diet is that there is very little useful content, as positive pro-biotics and enzymes are killed by processing, pasteurization and homogenization, all in the name of "convenience". That is essentially the business of big food production: making food convenient. Whether or not it's got valuable content is secondary at best.
Just walk into your average grocery store and what do see everywhere you look: sugar of some form or another, mostly corn syrup. The whole system appears to be a collection of interesting and imaginative ways to sell you sugar in some form. And guess what, sugar is addictive and difficult to beat if you've ever tried.
Fucker! Don't get me started....
I could go on forever, don't even get me started on glutens.
The fact is (not my opinion) that the environment is generally toxic. Have your water and soil tested for toxicity, you'll be amazed at what comes back. Shit, flouride is a known carcinogen yet millions of tons of it is dumped in to public drinking systems.
I think the key is really how to get your body to remove or discard the toxins. Some bodies are more effective than others. Some have a higher "immunity" to these toxins, much like immunity to disease. There are many things you can do to improve your body's ability to remove toxins, chief among them is having a proper diet.
ONe of the biggest problems with the typical American diet is that there is very little useful content, as positive pro-biotics and enzymes are killed by processing, pasteurization and homogenization, all in the name of "convenience". That is essentially the business of big food production: making food convenient. Whether or not it's got valuable content is secondary at best.
Just walk into your average grocery store and what do see everywhere you look: sugar of some form or another, mostly corn syrup. The whole system appears to be a collection of interesting and imaginative ways to sell you sugar in some form. And guess what, sugar is addictive and difficult to beat if you've ever tried.
Fucker! Don't get me started....
I could go on forever, don't even get me started on glutens.
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30-years ago, when my parents were in school, Atari had not even been invented yet. Kids actually went outside to play and run. Now days, parents sit their kids in fronts of the electronic babysitter and feed them chips. How do you fatten a hog, Garrett? You stick him a a pen where he can hardly move, and feed him fatty shit. But, if that hog could run around and breed other hogs, it would loose 1/4 of it's weight.
It's the same deal with people. Get out and go hiking, fishing, hunting, running, walking, swimming, etc.... and the weight stays off.
If you want to use Mike as an example...Mike was never fat in the first place. But, about the same time he started his "healthy" stint, he also got a bicycle, built two storage sheds by hand, helped his neighbor build a house, and Connie made him till a garden. Say it was the food that took off the weight if you want to......
Sure, I can eat a bowl of cereal for breakfast, have a salad for lunch, and a nice grilled chicken breast for dinner, and I may loose a few pounds by the end of the month. I could even pop a few dietary supplements to give me a boost in my vitamins. In the end, I may have a little more energy and I may feel good. But, on the other hand, I'm 6' 3", 170lbs, feel great, can run a mile in 6-minutes, hike until I die, fish all day long, and I can still party and drink with the collage kids....So, I guess my diet works just fine.
It's the same deal with people. Get out and go hiking, fishing, hunting, running, walking, swimming, etc.... and the weight stays off.
If you want to use Mike as an example...Mike was never fat in the first place. But, about the same time he started his "healthy" stint, he also got a bicycle, built two storage sheds by hand, helped his neighbor build a house, and Connie made him till a garden. Say it was the food that took off the weight if you want to......
Sure, I can eat a bowl of cereal for breakfast, have a salad for lunch, and a nice grilled chicken breast for dinner, and I may loose a few pounds by the end of the month. I could even pop a few dietary supplements to give me a boost in my vitamins. In the end, I may have a little more energy and I may feel good. But, on the other hand, I'm 6' 3", 170lbs, feel great, can run a mile in 6-minutes, hike until I die, fish all day long, and I can still party and drink with the collage kids....So, I guess my diet works just fine.
you don't feed farm animals fat. "fatten up" is a general term for weight gain. all our cattle here are raised on grass. nothing else. they get to go wherever they want. last night they went to see a bluegrass concert across the street here: http://www.jerusalemmill.org/mill.html
hogs are actually pretty lean animals too. again they are not fed super high protein diets to "fatten" them up. and again they are not put in pens. it is known that animals that are kept 'free range' and fed proper diets produce more. just like us humans.
your the exception to the rule on so many levels though. haha. you and are are in the minority now. most people are overweight and/or obese in the US now. i am just stating why that is. it is a combination of our diet and lifestyle. within that is what we do.......what we don't do......and the foods we chose to eat and what is available to us. it is up the the consumer to do what they want with those things. most opt for the quick, poor quality food and little exercise diet. thus we have an incredibly unhealthy population.
hogs are actually pretty lean animals too. again they are not fed super high protein diets to "fatten" them up. and again they are not put in pens. it is known that animals that are kept 'free range' and fed proper diets produce more. just like us humans.
your the exception to the rule on so many levels though. haha. you and are are in the minority now. most people are overweight and/or obese in the US now. i am just stating why that is. it is a combination of our diet and lifestyle. within that is what we do.......what we don't do......and the foods we chose to eat and what is available to us. it is up the the consumer to do what they want with those things. most opt for the quick, poor quality food and little exercise diet. thus we have an incredibly unhealthy population.
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garrett said:
Not around here. Cattle go to slotter here at ~9 months. Before slotter, they're locked in the barn and feed.
A month before they slotter hog, they're pinned up and grain feed with a side of "slop". You can get about 10 hogs to a pen. After a month, they're rubbing belly's.