Tsunami!

[JSQ]

Originally Posted by Calmdisco

Sigh.


What I ment was that damn it sucks. There is nothing anyone could have done to prevent it, so it sucks that shit happens. I miss the old D-Web were people didn't jump on you for that kind of stuff. And there were not personal attacks. sigh. What has happened to it in the last few months.

Old D-Web???

Who the hell ARE you?

I consider myself pretty new around here by most standards and yet I have NO idea who YOU are.



if you meant "damn it sucks", why didn't you write that?
shit happens is very clear to me.
it only means one thing.

[flyor]

Originally Posted by Calmdisco

Shit happens.

Miracales happen too. I heard on CNN that they found a fisherman alive today. He had been washed ashore and was under his boat since last week.

[KEJ]

Originally Posted by kellymoe

Karen,

My wife and I have donated to World Vision in the past and have friends that work for them. Those that donate to World vision can be assured there money IS going toward relief. They are a great orginization to give money to.

Kevin, that is very good to hear. I followed my gut on this one and World Vision was a top choice. Thanks for relating this confirmation. Next week I'll be dropping a few more alms their way.

Flyor, thank God people are still being rescued! Thanks for posting that good news.

KJ

[yo! adrian]

Some unfortunate news from the Singapore LR club:

"Land Rover Club member on way to Krabi dies in accident


SINGAPORE : The Land Rover Club, on the way to Krabi in Thailand to help victims of the tsunami disaster, suffered a loss themselves.

On Saturday morning, a member of the 30-car convoy lost control of his vehicle, crashed and died.


The accident happened along Malaysia's North-South Highway, near Alor Star.

The convoy was just 60 kilometers from the Thai border.

Fong Peng Khoon, who would have turned 46 on Monday, died after he apparently lost control of his vehicle along the highway.

Fong's sister told Channel NewsAsia that her brother is a divorcee with a 10-year-old son.

A member of the Land Rover Club, who was traveling with the convoy, arrived at the scene some 2 to 3 minutes after the accident.

Indi Tulsi, Land Rover Club, said, "When I arrived there, Fong was already taken out of the vehicle. There were some professional nurses there who were trying to resuscitate him. And they did a very good job and he was starting to breathe on his own again. By then the ambulance arrived and they took him to Sungei Petani Hospital. But I understand he collapsed again on the journey.

"In the morning we started our journey at about 7.30 and the tragedy struck at about 8-8.15. We were just half an hour into our journey and this is not because of fatigue or anything like that." - CNA

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Body of Land Rover convoy leader to be brought back on Monday


SINGAPORE : The body of Richard Fong, leader of a Land Rover relief mission to tsunami-hit Thailand, will be brought back to Singapore on Monday.

He was killed in a road accident along the North-South Expressway in Kedah on Saturday, when his Land Rover swerved suddenly and flipped a few times before crashing to a stop.



Mr Fong was leading a convoy of 32 cars and over 60 people to Krabi to deliver bottled water, tents, food and blankets to tsunami-stricken victims.

The supplies were donated by the Singapore Rotary Club and ExxonMobil, among others.

Despite their loss, most of the members decided to drive on to Krabi.

They reached Krabi at 9 pm on Saturday and delivered the much needed supplies to residents there.

Channel NewsAsia understands the drivers will be returning to Singapore on Monday.

Many members of the Land Rover community in Singapore are also tying a black ribbon on their vehicles as a respect for Mr Fong, a man who gave his life trying to help others. - CNA"


http://www.channelnewsasia.com/stori...125218/1/.html

[p m]

I read in a couple of places that the waves were going 500MPH, but I have also read that is the fastest that a Tsunami may go, so I have yet to read any scientific data that the Indian ocean Tsunami a couple of days ago was indeed going that fast.

Brian, the speed at which a long surface wave (longer than the water depth, roughly - but that's what tsunamis are) travels equals square root of the product of depth and gravity acceleration. So, when the wave enters, say, 200-m deep shelf, its speed is down to approximately 100 mph. Closer to shore, at 20m depth, it comes down to ~30mph, much more manageable. Fwiw, it is about what it looked like in the video feed.
I don't know geography well enough, but many islands in the Indian Ocean have pretty wide shelf. It would take some noticeable time for the wave to cross the shelf (at which time it loses energy, too). The receding waterline before the wave hits gives ample warning of what is there to come - it is an unforgivable oversight by the local governments in the area of not educating their people about it. Basically, if you ever see waterline going beyond low low tide mark, get your ass out of there.

[campbell]

Originally Posted by p m

Brian, the speed at which a long surface wave (longer than the water depth, roughly - but that's what tsunamis are) travels equals square root of the product of depth and gravity acceleration. So, when the wave enters, say, 200-m deep shelf, its speed is down to approximately 100 mph. Closer to shore, at 20m depth, it comes down to ~30mph, much more manageable. Fwiw, it is about what it looked like in the video feed.
I don't know geography well enough, but many islands in the Indian Ocean have pretty wide shelf. It would take some noticeable time for the wave to cross the shelf (at which time it loses energy, too). The receding waterline before the wave hits gives ample warning of what is there to come - it is an unforgivable oversight by the local governments in the area of not educating their people about it. Basically, if you ever see waterline going beyond low low tide mark, get your ass out of there.

Especially when it's suppose to be high tide...

[KEJ]

And if your elephant starts running for high ground, just hang on and thank your lucky stars. Did y'all hear about the elephants who were being ridden on the beach, and suddenly spun and made for the hills? Those tourists' lives were saved because the elephants felt danger coming and fled. Keep an eye on the wildlife, they know stuff!

KJ

[MarkP]

Or the natives that headed for high ground DAYS before the earthquake and tsunami ..... so much for spending billions on early warning systems.

During Tsunami Remote Viewing primitive tribes in Andaman Nicobar Islands of India moved to higher grounds – so did most animals
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1313365/posts

The rescue teams are observing some strange things as they are reaching these remote tribal areas for rescue and relief. While there is massive unbelievable devastation, the primitive tribes are relatively unaffected though most of them lived close by the ocean.

According to sources, these tribes moved to higher grounds. So did most animals during Tsunami in South and South-east Asia. The rescue teams are also finding interesting information from these untouched tribal people – they could view and hear the Tsunami coming and they moved to higher grounds way before the Tsunami came and earthquake shattered the islands.

As a matter of fact another correlation is also interesting – the more primitive tribes moved out to the higher grounds days before the catastrophe.

According to some of the tribal leaders, earth communicates to them. And this time they could see it coming in their remote viewing periscopes.

What the hell is a remote viewing periscope? Mmmmmm .......

[MarkP]

Ah, Remote Viewing. http://www.remoteviewing2005.com/pages/1/index.htm Not sure how a periscope fits into this but this is sure interesting. Basically all this high tech stuff is just noise covering up the real human communication capabilities.

Uh Oh....

[QCNR]

Its all lies....
ABC news

[utahdog2003]

Moron Alert

[Dan Ratcliffe]

World Vision is a world class organization. My wife and I have been sponsoring children in East Africa for years. Mrs. Ratcliffe is "tighter than bark on a tree" when it come to money, so she spends wisely. We have been very happy with their work and focus.

On another note, while watching some of the video, my wife wondered why the wave wasn't higher to cause such damage. As a mountain leader, we used to make decisons on bridging mountain streams. We would look at speed and depth. Twelve inches of water at 4-6mph would require a simple one rope safety line that each Marine would clip on to a walk a cross. Anything much deeper and faster often required us to bridge it getting the Marines completely out of the water.

There has been some talk about comparing the tsunami to the waves seen in Hawaii. We used to work with surf tables a lot to prepare for amphibious landings. The waves in Hawaii are what we would have called plunging surf. Large, lots of energy, but most of that energy disipated between the low and high water marks, nearly straight down. This can carve the hell out of a beach, beat the crap out of landing craft, but for the most part doesn't affect anything above the high water mark.

The closest thing you can probably compare the tsunami to is a storm surge from a hurricane or typhoon, but lacking the energy.

Dan ( damn I hope I remembered this stuff correctly)

[KEJ]

Originally Posted by MarkP

Ah, Remote Viewing. http://www.remoteviewing2005.com/pages/1/index.htm Not sure how a periscope fits into this but this is sure interesting. Basically all this high tech stuff is just noise covering up the real human communication capabilities.

Uh Oh....

Remote viewing was experimented with by the U.S. military many years ago. I think after a number of years the project was abandoned. As I recall these experiments were conducted in response to the belief that the USSR had extensive paranormal-type experiments running. All I know about it I learned on the Discovery Channel I'd say all this is highly speculative "reporting", born out of things we don't understand. Is it supernatural powers that saved them or the happy coincidence of being on high ground when the shit hit? The animals that turned and RAN past witnesses I believe knew some sort of danger was near and did what came naturally. Maybe the remote tribes have some sort of connection that we the more "modern" have lost, who knows? But, labeling it "remote viewing" seems to be making it something that better fits into our mental scheme.

KJ

[utahdog2003]

don't know as Id call it Remote Viewing, but I do believe that animals have a more developed sense related to impending weather/pressure/vibration changes. Here in Florida, we had lots of freaked out dogs jumping their fences and going bananas in the face of last summer's Hurricanes. Apparently, dogs feel the pressure gradient of the approaching storm and it sparks a flee instinct. Hundreds of dogs were homeless after the storm, and not from damage to their homes, but from them running away from the weather. Worse, many dogs were thought to be upwards of tens of miles away from their homes when they were collected by animal control agencies, which made returning the poor critters to their owners that much more difficult.

I have no background in animal behavior...this info is from newspaper stories I read by candle while trapped in boarded buildings over the summer.

[Dan Ratcliffe]

Originally Posted by KEJ

Maybe the remote tribes have some sort of connection that we the more "modern" have lost, who knows? But, labeling it "remote viewing" seems to be making it something that better fits into our mental scheme.

KJ

I am convinced it is not lost, just not used. I think our environment drives much of our perception and connection with our surroundings. I often noticed that it took about a week for "civilization" to wear off, at the sensory level, assuming you already had strong field experiences. Experience is also important as that is what helps us filter. After returning from Beirut, I, on a Sunday morning visting friends in Hoboken, became convinced that a sniper had me. What kept me from going nuts was that I kept telling my self I was "in Hobken, there are no snipers," my filter.


I once spent 27 straight days in the Philippine jungle. As I have thought back on it, we seemed to know, with out watching cloud formations, etc., when we would set up a hootch, and we would just lay out on the ground and sleep. Most of the time we had it right. How much of that becomes automatic, like when we are driving home and suddenly realize we don't know how got there, I don't know.

We once set an ambush in the RPI and there is no way we could have been detected, when along came a old gentleman in a loin cloth hunting birds with a bow and arrow. It was really comical looking, when he drew abreast of us, looked right at us, and put his index finger to his lips signalling us to keep quiet. We realized that if he had set an ambush, we would have been toast. Only by spending a long time in the bush would we become educated or reminded of that level of knowledge. Of course you have to survive your mistakes to learn.

When we returned from Beirut, because of the nature of our work, we were flown back directly. We didn't get that time, spent on the three week boat trip back, that the rest of the Marines with us got. We were literally dropped back in to our North Carolina world. After we returned our equipment and did all of the weapons and communications gear inventory and clean up, hopped in to Corporal Baron's Ford Escort for the drive back to the barracks, about three miles away from the comm shack and armory. I found myself looking left and rear at the barracks and headquarters buildings roof tops; I was in the right rear seat, that is what I was supposed to do. I felt like a fool, but looked at the others and realized that they all were doing the same thing. Baron, hunched over the wheel trying to see more from the driving position restricted by the roof line. Walker sitting next to me in the back seat looking right and rear, searching. Norman in the right front seat searching as well. Every other day we had driven from the airport to the Presidential complex as body guards. I whispered, "guys, we don't have to look any more." I saw the same thing on each of the faces I could see, embarrasment and fear. Have I lost control, and will I be one of "them," the old guys we saw from Viet Nam, ruined.

I think we all have it, and the more involved we are with our environment the stronger it is.

Unfortunately, like my story about Hoboken, we can also be wrong.

Dan

[KEJ]

Dan, absolutely fascinating stuff. I certainly agree it's all in what one acclimates to. As a far lesser example, we vacation in places that tend to have very few people, and thus, very little man-made noise. When we come back home the din of everyday life is nearly unbearable. For me it takes about the same amount of time to unplug as it does to plug back in, though I resist the plugging back in!

James, for whatever reason I'm much more easily convinced that animals have it going on than humans. Maybe it's my affinity for animals and my tendency to knock a lot of the human experience. Too many stories have been told about animal behavior before earthquakes, tidal waves, tornadoes, hurricanes, etc. to ignore that there's something going on there. For me, it's kind of like the God question. I don't know if it's true, but I'd like to think it is.

KJ, Druid

[antichrist]

I heard a report on NPR this morning that there was some concern about some small tribes being completely wiped out (as mentioned above). Particularly one tribe known for being somewhat belligerant. Rescuers were doing helicopter fly overs looking for signs of life. When they got to the area inhabited by this one tribe, they were greated by a barrage of arrows. I guess the tribe survived.

As an aside, how many remember the Tsunami in Bangledesh in '91 that killed 138,000?