P38 Reliabity- trail
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ptschram
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pdxrovermech said:
The diesel Freelander is a fantastic truck!
Otherwise, I agree. DII close second.
pdxrovermech said:
true that... I would drive a RRS supercharged on 20's in a heartbeat. Heck Id just take the RRS on 20's/
I don't know if I could do it. A P38 that is. I had a customer last week who went to the post office, parked in the Fire Lane, shut the door, came back out to a no-start and the alarm going off everytime you touched the ignition or opened the door. It was a faulty latch, easily fixed in the driveway of my shop, but how would one deal with it miles, many miles, from home?
I can hear one in the shop now, cycling it's door locks!
Congrats on your good fortune!
I can hear one in the shop now, cycling it's door locks!
Congrats on your good fortune!
RVRSRVC said:
get it to unarm then unplug the latch, i had to do it :banghead::banghead: got me home to the latch I had been putting off installing....
ptschram said:
Really? For some reason I've grown more fond of the D2 over the years. If you can get one with a good ABS system and a good block then its a pretty sweet rig. I realize thats a big if though. Especially the block thing. I'm more confident in a D2 that has 150K on it than a D2 with 60K on it with new headgaskets. Plus I think a well accessorized D2 has a nice look right up there with a RRC.
Re: P38 Reliability- trail
I do not superlock the RR, and if the door locks get "lazy" replace them before this happens, and make sure your batteries in the remote are good.
I have read somewhere that using diagnostics you can deactivate the alarm and security system which if anyone has actually done let me know please
RVRSRVC said:
I do not superlock the RR, and if the door locks get "lazy" replace them before this happens, and make sure your batteries in the remote are good.
I have read somewhere that using diagnostics you can deactivate the alarm and security system which if anyone has actually done let me know please
Re: P38 Reliability- trail
Same potential issues with any 4.0 or 4.6 LR V8
First engine blew its coolant and overheated, not while i was driving, engine was toast just the same as any Rover V8, second engine was second hand, no warranty, changed it myself, and almost immediately top hose pressurized, and gas in engine coolant indicating a possible slipped liner or head gaskets, ran it for a while, changed the head gaskets, suspected a slipped liner and still had the same issues. So replaced it with another second hand engine after having the slipped liner confirmed on the second engine.
Still did quite a few trail miles before engine # 3
Does this answer your question ?
Of course if time and $ permitted and with the benefit of hindsight rebuilding a 4.6 with top hat liners would have been the way to go.
BDM said:
Same potential issues with any 4.0 or 4.6 LR V8
First engine blew its coolant and overheated, not while i was driving, engine was toast just the same as any Rover V8, second engine was second hand, no warranty, changed it myself, and almost immediately top hose pressurized, and gas in engine coolant indicating a possible slipped liner or head gaskets, ran it for a while, changed the head gaskets, suspected a slipped liner and still had the same issues. So replaced it with another second hand engine after having the slipped liner confirmed on the second engine.
Still did quite a few trail miles before engine # 3
Does this answer your question ?
Of course if time and $ permitted and with the benefit of hindsight rebuilding a 4.6 with top hat liners would have been the way to go.
ptschram
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Re: P38 Reliability- trail
Easily done if you have a computer that is able to write to the BeCM. The status of things like central door locking and the alarms is not in the vehicle-specific portion of the BeCM and easily accessed.
Rover Mac said:
Easily done if you have a computer that is able to write to the BeCM. The status of things like central door locking and the alarms is not in the vehicle-specific portion of the BeCM and easily accessed.
Re: P38 Reliability- trail
Thank you, now just a matter of convincing the tech that this is possible
ptschram said:
Thank you, now just a matter of convincing the tech that this is possible
ptschram
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BDM said:
I was on the phone with Chris Crane of RPi last week. He was most adamant that if we keep the cooling system in top knick, AND tow in sport mode, we should have nothing to worry about. He is convinced that the blocks are good as-is, but that Americans seem to have a penchant for ignoring cooling issues when they begin and by the time we do something, it's too late. Well, that and the fact that in the P38, the fuel map is pretty poor and can lead to overheating problems.
He was very negative about top-hatting and begrudgingly admitted that I was right pinning the liners on my 4.2. At that, I had to ocnvince him that it had never been overheated or otherwise abused.
ptschram said:
Could you talk a little more on pinning the liners? I am not clear what this involves.
ptschram
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rover4x4 said:
I should say search as I've posted pictures.
Essentially, one drills a hole through the block below the point where the piston skirts ride. This hole is tapped and a socket head cap screw threaded in, ground flush and loc-tited in place. Mine are safety-wired as well.
Update.
160k Miles, 1997 RR
First of all thanks for all the dweb technical advice and support over the years
http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj89/CelticRover/Land Rover Trail Photographs/
Security settings for alarm set to "Australian Market"
Passenger interior and exterior door release failed, had to break up old latch inside the door, without breaking the window.
Expansion tank nipple on the bottom of the plastic tank leaked under pressure, replaced expansion tank.
Last new radiator from Atlantic British lasted 2 years before leaking.
Reconnected valve cover breather pipe (must have left it off after doing the head gaskets)
Cruise control stopped working again
Heater core and O rings, I have done this job twice now and found it a real PITA, this time replaced the heater core with a metal Audi version, and ran the heater hoses where the alumunum pipes and O rings had been, no more O rings.:bigok:
Exhaust manifold on passenger side is ticking again,
Replaced original catalytic converters and 2 x O2 sensors, reset adaptive values and MPG increased by 2 mpg.
Replaced driver side window regulator again
Replaced my MIA Southdown rear diff guard
The plastic "thingy" by the fuel filler cap in the wheel arch which captures fuel tank vapors on pre Adv EVAP, is leaking again. It took a hit under maximum articulation going through the Golden Crack on Golden Spike, and was repaired with JB weld and has lasted a couple of years.
Replaced front radius arm suspension bushings, and track rod.
Replaced valve cover gaskets
Transfer case would not shift from low to high after running trails in Moab on my way to Colorado, removed shift motor, turned spigot and reinstalled shift motor. Replacing the shift motor did not solve the problem, until I replaced the computer under the passenger seat.
The viscous coupling seized after running trails in Mojave, the weekend before the NR. Sourced a low(er) mileage replacement transfer case and it is possible (not easy) to swap out in the driveway with one person.
160k Miles, 1997 RR
First of all thanks for all the dweb technical advice and support over the years
http://s270.photobucket.com/albums/jj89/CelticRover/Land Rover Trail Photographs/
Security settings for alarm set to "Australian Market"
Passenger interior and exterior door release failed, had to break up old latch inside the door, without breaking the window.
Expansion tank nipple on the bottom of the plastic tank leaked under pressure, replaced expansion tank.
Last new radiator from Atlantic British lasted 2 years before leaking.
Reconnected valve cover breather pipe (must have left it off after doing the head gaskets)
Cruise control stopped working again
Heater core and O rings, I have done this job twice now and found it a real PITA, this time replaced the heater core with a metal Audi version, and ran the heater hoses where the alumunum pipes and O rings had been, no more O rings.:bigok:
Exhaust manifold on passenger side is ticking again,
Replaced original catalytic converters and 2 x O2 sensors, reset adaptive values and MPG increased by 2 mpg.
Replaced driver side window regulator again
Replaced my MIA Southdown rear diff guard
The plastic "thingy" by the fuel filler cap in the wheel arch which captures fuel tank vapors on pre Adv EVAP, is leaking again. It took a hit under maximum articulation going through the Golden Crack on Golden Spike, and was repaired with JB weld and has lasted a couple of years.
Replaced front radius arm suspension bushings, and track rod.
Replaced valve cover gaskets
Transfer case would not shift from low to high after running trails in Moab on my way to Colorado, removed shift motor, turned spigot and reinstalled shift motor. Replacing the shift motor did not solve the problem, until I replaced the computer under the passenger seat.
The viscous coupling seized after running trails in Mojave, the weekend before the NR. Sourced a low(er) mileage replacement transfer case and it is possible (not easy) to swap out in the driveway with one person.
This is an interesting progression to follow. I just went on a trail drive with a stock P38 last weekend. Even with its nearly bald Michelin XPC tires it made it over all the terrain that a modified Disco did (with one exception where it needed some traction mats on a greasy, rocky climb). For all their peculiarities I think the P38 is an underrated truck. I see them do well off road and think they are alright, but then I walk past my neighbor's P38 whose air suspension is sitting on the bump stops and get a sense of perspective.
i just had to do the same thing earlier this week. i hadn't run into before and when i went to get a good used latch from one of our parts trucks it had the same problem..
After 14 years and 200k miles my Range Rover has been "compassionately euthanized " by http://www.facebook.com/rover.restorations :applause:
Many truly memorable trips, and never failed to make it home, (always a sign of a successful trip to return in the same vehicle I left in
).
Thank you faithful friend, RIP.
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Many truly memorable trips, and never failed to make it home, (always a sign of a successful trip to return in the same vehicle I left in
). Thank you faithful friend, RIP.