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Eric N.

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Eric N. said:
Was wondering if I could get your opinion on the http://www.benelliusa.com/firearms/montefeltro.tpl

Or anyone elses for that matter ( Kyle, JSQ ) on this gun.. I'm going to try and find some where that will let me run some rounds through it but, I was wondering what some others thought of Benelli in general as far as quality goes. Not running out and buying one but, looking at all my options and making a list from past suggestions and any new ones you guys might have.. Granted I probably will end up with my dads 30+ year old side by side 12 gage but, am also still looking at new ones and day dreaming too.


Please ignore this question... I looked at my list and this was already on it from the "guns for birds" post that I did a while ago.. I already got your opinions on it.. Don't know why I didn't remember that... must be old age kicking in again. Sorry..
 

john

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Benelli quality is superb. Benelli is my only choice as far as repeaters go.

The Montefeltro is a sweet gun and I'm sure it will serve you very well, but I'm not digging it. I much prefer the M2 Super 90 or the Super Black Eagle. The primary reason I don't like the Montefeltro is that it won't accept extension magazines. This may or may not matter to you, but it does to me. My thinking is that what advantage does the Montefeltro have over the M1 or M2 Super 90? None, as far as I am concerned.

But the M1 or M2 Super 90 and the Super Black Eagle have several advantages over the Montefeltro. For one thing, these weapons accept extension magazines:


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That's my K-80 on the left and my M1 Super 90 Field on the right. My Super 90 is fitted with Benelli's extension magazine. Here are some close-ups of the extension magazine:


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For me, the extension magazine is important for several reasons. One, I can load my gun up with up to eight 2.75" shells if I want to. I normally don't, but I have the option to do so if I want to. Another reason I like the extension magazine is that it improves the gun's balance. Benellis have very thin barrels and they can feel a little vague up front. The main reason I use an extension magazine on my Super 90 is that it improves the balance and handling of the gun, at least for me. Many sporting clays shooters fit barrel weights to the end of their magazines as well, because they're accustomed to the handling qualities of a double but they want the recoil attenuation of a self-loader. I have my two guns similarly set up:


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My Super 90 has a 24" barrel and my K-80 has 28" barrels, but the OAL of both guns is nearly identical. Both guns have a nearly identical length of pull. Both guns feature adjustable stocks and are tweaked to fit me. The K-80 is a very barrel-heavy gun and the Super 90 is a very barrel-light gun, so I leave the extension magazine on my Super 90 to give it a slightly more barrel-heavy feel (which I like), and I want to lighten the barrels on the K-80 slightly. The two guns don't handle exactly alike or anything, but they are about as similar as these two very dissimilar guns could be.

I couldn't do this if I had a Montefeltro instead of my M1 Super 90. If you get a Montefeltro and find the front end of the gun a little vague for you, what do you do? Get lead choke tubes? No, you're SOL. The Super 90 at least gives you options.

You can easily remove the extension magazine if you want to. There's a knurled cylinder on the end of the forend:


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Just unscrew the long magazine and yank the long spring, and replace them with the factory forend cap and the short spring. That's it. No permanent alteration of the gun is required.

My recommendation to you would still be the Super Black Eagle. Benelli has a new model out called the Super Black Eagle II. The old Super Black Eagle is now discontinued I believe. Here's what the SBE2's look like:


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And here's a close-up of the model I like:


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Note how short the receiver is on this SBE2. It's way shorter than the receiver on the SBE1 and looks about the same length my Super 90's receiver. But remember that the SBE2 chambers 3.5" shells if you want to. I still don't know how Benelli got the SBE2's receiver to be that short, but it's just awesome.

Here are your barrel choices if you're considering an SBE2:


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As an all-around gun, I'm digging the 10026 model, with 24" barrel and black furniture with the new ComforTech recoil attenuation. Fit a four-shot magazine extension to that and you've got a very sweet gun. Tweak the stock a little to your liking (you can do this on the SBE2's buttstock) and you're getting close to perfection.
 

Eric N.

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Damn, John, sorry that you had to type all that.. See my post right before yours.. dohhh!!! Yes, I like the SBE and I did get a chance to shoot that a few weeks ago. It was a beat up loaner gun, but it did feel nice, nice weight, and shot real good for even being beaten up pretty good which says alot to me.

Going to try and test out some Berrettas later this month.. I think I'm goign to go with either a Benelli or a Berretta of some sort depending on how the Berrettas do when I get my hands on them.. :)
 

john

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No worries; it's gun talk.

The info in that other thread is a little dated now, since Benelli updated the various Super 90's and the SBE. I believe all Benellis now come with long forcing cones and backboring. My M1 Super 90 lacks this. Also, Benelli is now cryogenically treating its choke tubes, which it didn't do a decade ago when I bought my Super 90. The new Benellis should pattern much better than the penultimate generation of Benellis.

Also, that new SBE2 receiver is so fucking sweet. Compare these two pics:

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Note how much shorter the SBE2's receiver is, and yet it will still load and chamber 3.5" magnum shotshells. I still can't figure out how Benelli's engineers were able to achieve this length reduction. I gotta take a close-up look at it and try to figure out how Benelli got the receiver to be so short in length. There's some secret juju going on there.

Beretta makes very nice doubles but its repeaters have never done it for me. Beretta owns Benelli and for a time a while back Beretta had a few inertia-locking (the method of operation employed on the Benellis) repeaters in its line-up. Those were cool. But I believe all of the Beretta self-loaders now are gas operated, which I don't like.
 

Eric N.

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By the way, nice snap on box. Gun and tool porn all in the same pic.. Shit man you throw an engle and some benchmades in there and you got the makings for a playboy spread.. :D
 

john

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Well, since we've been talking about shotguns, here's a shotgun one:


"He was still alive when the men reached my camp on the Munyamadzi River, although I'm sure I don't know why. It was emeni, or 'midday,' in Zambia's dry season, everything was sensibly quiet in the heat, including me, propped in the cool shade of the sausage tree grove with a sweating Lion Lager in my grubby fist. Things had been thankfully slow in the mayhem department for the last few days, and my game-control duties of shooting raiding elephant or chasing poachers had been light. But there was always the paperwork in quintuplicate, and I had spent the past three days filling in 'kill' forms and making the usual inventory of ivory, confiscated poacher trophies, and such ready for the official vehicle that would be by any time to pick them up. The three scouts under my command were afield on duty with their bicycles and not due back until the day after tomorrow, leaving in camp only me, old Silent, and a kitchen toto to fetch water and food.

"Silent saw them first. Five hundred yards away, walking across a flat, were two Awiza tribesmen carrying a blanket-wrapped form slung from a pole between them. It didn't take a Sherlock Holmes to figure out what would be in that dirty, torn blanket, either. It looked as if the vacation was over. When they laid it down and unwrapped the tattered edges, even I, who can happily eat my lunch seated on the rapidly rotting carcass of a dead elephant, had to force down a gag. The poor bugger looked as if he'd spent a weekend in a blender set at 'cole slaw.' Except for the burning, unblinking eyes that stared at me, I would have thought the best medicine for him was a shovel. But he was not only alive, he talked!

"The bush African seems to defy most of the rules of modern medicine. You can convince him that he's been hexed, and he'll lie down and die on you in about four days. Yet I've seen him ripped from crotch to clavicle by rhino horn and double-tusked through the intestines by elephant, burned, infected, and shredded by lion, and within a few weeks he's back on his feet again, scarred but healthy despite wounds that would have given a Spanish Inquisitor the queasies. So it seemed to be with this one.

"As it happened, despite the fact that quite a lot of his face was hanging free from its moorings, he looked vaguely familiar. When he spoke, I realized that I knew him from the village, for he called me by my African name, 'Nyalubwe.' Nyalubwe means 'leopard' in Chenyanja, which seemed to throw a macabre humor over the situation. It developed that it had been my namesake that had replatted the man, whose name was Chisi. Silent brought the big medicine kit and had the kitchen lad set water to boiling. We lifted him to the makeshift dining table and, as I listened to him tell his tale, I did what I could to reassemble the jigsaw puzzle of torn flesh.

"It had been about an hour after dawn, the sun still low behind the yellow thorn trees, when Chisi had walked from the village with his son, a six-year-old named Ntani, to check his snares for khwali, or partridge. Although I of course did not permit the setting of wire snares for game in my area and treated offenders firmly in the extreme, I didn't see much harm in the snaring of an odd francolin or guinea fowl for the family pot, provided only grass cord or light bark fiber was used. At the edge of a grassy vlei, dead in the winter dryness, they entered the cover with Chisi leading and carrying his spear. The boy followed close behind.

"As I poured disinfectant into one fang hole in his arm and watched it run out another, he went on, his voice oddly calm and clear despite the obvious pain he must have been in since the shock had worn off. At the third snare they visited, a cock guinea fowl was struggling mightily and broke the anchor line just as the pair came up, dashing off still half-tied into the bush. Chisi watched, amused, as the boy chased it through the cover, which was very thick. Then came a shriek cut short, a thrashing, then silence. As quickly as he could run, Chisi bulled through the grass, his spear drawn back for a throw. As he pounded along he almost ran over the grisly scene: a big male leopard standing over his son, whose neck was still in the cat's jaws. So fast that it was a blur, the leopard dropped the child and instantly sprang at Chisi, who managed to thrust at it with the spear blade, missing the chest but cutting deeply into the stomach.

"The leopard's lightning charge knocked Chisi down backward, and the cast fastened its long teeth into his arm. The deadly hind legs windmilled, seeking and finding his belly and thighs, flashing claws shredding meat to the bone. A forepaw hooked and held for a moment in the flesh of the right side of his face, pulling the tissue into red ribbons as the claws tore free.

"I had just finished stuffing the odd loops of Chisi's guts back into his lower chest and hopefully taping on a sterile, wet compression pack when he finished his story. He had lain for some time, stunned, staring at the lifeless body of his son a few feet away. Already the flies were gathering. Fortunately, the two men who had carried Chisi to my camp had noticed the vultures gathering and gone to investigate, finding him and the boy. They had rigged the machila with the blanket and stopped by the village on their way to send a party for Ntani's body.

"It was the middle of the afternoon before I had done what I could for Chisi, closing the worst tears with butterfly tape sutures instead of sewing him up, for almost surely infection would develop later. With a butt full of penicillin and a dreamy smile on his face from the injection of morphine, he calmly watched me radio for a Game Department car to pick him up and take him to a small dispensary about fifty miles away that had an Indian doctor. I would have taken him myself, but I had business back in that high grass.

"Of the three things I most distinctly dislike doing, digging wounded leopards out of thick bush unquestionably ranks first. In fact, it's my personal belief, based upon experiences I would much rather not have had, that there is no circumstance so potentially lethal in taking any of the Big Five as following up a wounded but still active leopard. Because of their size, the big boys?elephant, rhino, and buff?can usually be spotted in time to kill or to turn a charge. Even the lion, although he's more likely to kill you if he can actually close, will betray a charge with a growl or roar, giving you some idea where he's coming from. Not the leopard. He never gives you an edge, saving that rush or spring for such close quarters that he's sure he'll nail you or he won't come. With the most perfect camouflage in nature, he's invisible until he turns into a golden-dappled streak of purest malevolence, biting and clawing with such speed that cases have been reliably reported as having mauled as many as seven armed men in a single rush and then melted back into the grass before anybody could do anything but bleed.

"Once, in Botswana, I tried to force a wounded leopard out of quite a small clump of grassy bush by raking it with No. 6 shotgun pellets. A whole box of shells was used for this purpose. There was never a sound or movement, although I knew I must be hitting the gut-shot cat with some of the pellets. Finally, I just had to conclude that it had died of its wounds. But I'd been around long enough trying to keep my lovely profile free of those annoying keloid scars ever to presume anything about leopards. I was as cute entering that grass as a guy on his way to defuse a cobalt bomb. Just as well. Trick or treat. I killed him with a lucky shot at six feet from the hip with a 12-gauge mashie, which didn't do much for his looks. When we unzipped the big tom, we found that he'd collected seventy-seven of those probing pellets from roughly forty yards without a twitch or whimper. My safari client had the ill grace to observe that I had ruined the face of his trophy by shooting it in the chops with a load of buckshot. I don't believe I'll repeat my reply.

"Silent and I, guided by the two Awizas, whose names I don't recall, arrived at the vlei at half-past four in the afternoon, having left Chisi in the care of the kitchen helper until the Land Rover arrived. I'd done all I could and now the most important matter was to settle accounts with the Nyalubwe before somebody inadvertently stumbled into him or he started to develop tendencies toward free enterprise. Man-eating leopards are more rare than lions or crocs with a taste for human flesh, although they often are killers of opportunity, taking a child or woman just as they would any other primate such as a baboon or monkey. Still, from Chisi's account, I think that the leopard merely happened to be in the grass and heard the excited cries of the guinea fowl. As it raced on a collision course with Ntani to catch the bird, the cat probably grabbed the child by reflex as the better meal. Of course, this was mere theory, but as there had been no reports of man-eating leopards in this district for more than a year, I guessed that this was the case. No matter. The cat was wounded and would still chew and claw the Tax Reform Act out of anybody who crossed him and might even turn full man-eater if incapacitated and unable to take his normal smaller prey. Among other things, that's what I got paid to prevent. Helluva way to get rich.

"I killed the hunting car's engine two hundred yards from the place indicated by the two men and stepped out, Silent hopping out the rear with my 'possible' bag mentioned elsewhere. That there may be no speculation, I am the worst sort of sissy, bearing an ingrained aversion to having my throat torn out, my face pulled off (as happened to old friend Heinz Pullon), or my insides hooked outside by wounded leopards. In anticipation of such occupational hazards, I also keep a few items handy that are sort of alternative contents to the 'possible' bag. I think of it as my Black Knight outfit. Not that you'd want to fight the Battle of Hastings in it, but there's a lot of good reasons to insulate yourself as best you can from things that bite. The primary feature is a definitely non-Brooks Brothers leather jacket to which I spent a day riveting big slabs of formica in a flexible pattern. The second item, which would probably get me elected vice president of a New York street gang, is a most fetching antique U.S. Marine leather neck guard originally designed to protect the throat and neck from sword cuts. Not that I don't trust the Marine suppliers of yore, but just to be extra safe, I riveted it over with sheet metal. Somehow, kit gives me the appearance of wearing stainless steel dentures. Oh, well, looks aren't everything. I used to have my old football helmet, too, but some tribesman coveted it one dark evening and it is no longer in inventory. Fortunately, I am still on the manifest.

"Silent checks out the bag's contents, and you shrug into the jacket, finally lacing up the neck protector. No need for the old .375 H&H; this will be a very personal affair. The Winchester Model 12 slides, silver-worn and sharp with the odor of WD-40, from the soft case. You thumb six rounds into the unplugged magazine, jack one into the chamber, and top off the cargo with a seventh in the magazine. You try not to notice the deep claw marks on the pump's forestock, for they tend to bring up disconcerting memories of similar situations. Unable to think of even the most improbable excuse to stay around the car puttering with your gear, you reluctantly head for the vlei and all that bloody grass, feeling much like a gladiator waiting for the main gate to the arena to open. You have decided not to take Silent (who is now pouting) because it's just too thick, and you may have to snapshoot in any direction in a fraction of a second. He would not look very good after a charge of buckshot from a couple of feet and, anyway, good gunbearers are getting hard to find.

"The first fifty yards take a full half-hour. The gun is held well back on the hip to prevent the leopard from getting between you and the muzzle. The worn walnut is slippery with sweat. Each step is taken with infinite slowness on the outside edges of the feet. Visibility is down to eight or ten feet, so there's no point in looking for the leopard himself. Instead, you watch for the movement of grass he will be forced to make when he charges. Oh, he'll charge all right, because he's almost certainly still here, lying up and licking his wounds. You follow the trail of Chisi and his son, which blends with the in-and-out bloodstained route of the other men and the party recovering the child's body, until you finally reach the unmistakable place of death. There are large gouts of arterial blood, which means that Ntani bled to death instead of dying of a broken neck. A few feet away there is another patch of torn and red-smeared ground where Chisi was mauled. From the spoor leading away into the grass, it would seem that Chisi may have 'washed his spear' well in the leopard, hopefully well enough that he'll be nice and dead, although you somehow doubt it. Well, at least you have something going for you with a blood trail to follow and enough time gone by for the cat's wounds to slow him down. Whoa. Wait a minute. You know better than that. Expect the worst and there'll be no big surprises.

"The sun is starting to slip away by the time you find the soggy place in the grass thirty yards from the mauling where the leopard stopped to lie up for a while. Not good. He's moved and you sure don't need shadows on top of everything else. But he's still trickling a thin, crimson spoor on the stalks, so you had better get in gear before you lose the light.

"Step. Turn completely around. Listen. Listen hard for the tiniest swish of grass. You've got to know where he's coming from before you can put up that defensive thunderstorm of lead. Twenty more yards. And then you know.

"Everything has slowed down except your heart. As if by hypnosis, your eyes are drawn to the grass at your right front. Was there a sound so faint that you didn't consciously register it? Hard as you stare, nothing of the leopard is to be seen. But you're somehow positive he's there, off to the right of the blood spoor, waiting for you on his own track. You can actually feel his eyes through the stems and stalks. Slowly, the shotgun swivels to cover the spot, which looks exactly like every other khaki clump of growth. Sweat is pouring down your face despite the fact that you feel oddly cool. What's next?

"You don't have to decide. He does. Like an uncoiling steel spring, he's in the air, launched directly at your face, his mask a twisted, befanged horror framed between extended, inward-turned paws that are studded with long, hooked, white claws. Despite his speed, you somehow have time to notice every detail of his awful, sinuous, lithe beauty. Then the Winchester fires?a short, hard bark?and his left front paw disintegrates as the solid charge of shot shreds it on the way to his neck and head. With the trigger still held back, you instantly work the pump. The second swarm of buckshot pours into him as the firing pin slams the primer on the return stroke. A hole the size of your clenched fist appears just where his throat meets his upper chest, visibly slowing him in flight with the terrible impact of the charge. He turns in the air as if somersaulting to crash on his back, as limp as a plastic bag of sausage meat, landing a yard short of your feet with a soggy thump. Without any hesitation, you kill him again. It's a shame to blow such a hole in that beautiful amber and anthracite skin, but you know his will be more easily repaired than your own. Lordie, but a cigarette will taste good with a long swig from the water bag.

"You give a sharp whistle and hear Silent fire up the old hunting car as you slip out of the armored jacket and untie the neck protector. In a few minutes, guided by your whistles, the grass is folding down and the hood of the 'Rover pokes its way into view with the snout of a prehistoric, metal hippo. You go through the usual, highly flattering version of what happened for his sake so that he may enjoy the status of having a bwana worth lying about. The leopard is easily loaded onto an old piece of canvas and swung over the edge of the pickup tailgate when you happen to notice that your bush shorts are really quite soggy. Must have spilled some water from the jawsack. Yeah.

?Peter Hathaway Capstick, Death in the Dark Continent
 

jimjet

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The rear rump shot was by strang my ph
it was the last day before we were leaving ,strang shot at my request to help anchor the beast so he shot 1solid in its hip to anchor the beast.we couldnt aford to wound him last night in zambia
we didnt walk him up for the kill as he was in thick bush and would not risk getting charged.
this is going to be fun posting pics.
i think i can get one of you to save up for my next trip.
jim
 

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jimjet

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we had hoped for a testical tuesday and having oysters for dinner.
it turned out to be a thursday the last night of our hunt in zambia.
following the herd on foot was sunup to sun down hiking.
we had bad wind and kept getting winded for days.
we finaly ate testicals for dinner.
in the pic Strang a native Zambian of English decent our dangerous game guide is removing the scrotum so we can eat my buffs balls.
i had the sack made into a satchel.

the meat was split up and delivered to the local tribe, The Eland Tribe.
when they get meat they eat it all at once or dry it.
on this nite they sang into the nite eating singing and fornicating.
sitting in camp the Eland tribe on our right would beat and sing to other tribes in the distance singing choruous of Afrikan music all night.

absolutely remarkable
jim
 

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jimjet

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The Karoo Desert
we went for springbok a black wildebeast herd past over a table top mountain.
we went up and took a black wildebeast each.
this is my buddy dan. since we were twelve we have been killing things together and living amongst nature when ever we could.
this is where we shot springbok at 400 + yards.

You have to appreciate the vastness here.we drove in , in a toyota land cruiser.
the terain so ruff my kiddnys were failing so i opted to walk along side the crawling cruiser.

yes dan can wear the lid or is it cover?
hes big time semper fi guy.
 

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jimjet

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The Karoo
my wildebeast , black that is , he was recordbook trophy but we did not follow through with registering.
i shot from a high position at about 220 yds,we were up on a ledge.
with a stiff wind i didnt compensate for.
my first shot hit his guts high infront of the rear hip.
he ran up the oposite side of our mountain i shot as he ran.
see next post
 

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jimjet

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if i can get the picture to upload

i shot him from up on a ledge shooting down.at 220 yards as ranged with a 338 win mag.
my adrenalin was going nuts as we stalked into a prone position.
i didnt compensate for the wind that i didnt notice. my first shot was just foward of his lft rear leg.GUT SHOT but i was aiming for the boiler room.
he ran up the side of the mountain on the oposite ridge from me.
i free fired as he ran and hit him again.
after going down and up the other side i found him at the top looking for a charge.
some say hes the poor mans buffalo.
he didnt charge . he died.
my free shooting grazed him from his rt horn (facing him) across his face into his left.
look close

jim
 

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jimjet

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please dont mind me.
all my friends have seen these.
now i have someone new to share with.
if you dont mind
jim

i have many others i would like to share,

my buff hunt was the most expensive of all
i saved three years , three bonuses, and alot of travel perdiem.ate alot of pb and j on the road.
1500 ny/joberg
400 joberg/ livingston Zambia
4000 200 a day x 20
3500 bull buffalo even if you wound one and it gets away you pay.dan got 2 as he wounded his first and didnt find it untill the end.
1000 in trinkets and souvineers.an awsome rino bone handle skinning knife
10.400 total without taxidermy.
taxidermy is being done in rsa at 1200 for buff in shoulder sneak mount
back skin is made into gun case 145.00
legs as bookends and ashtrays 50.00
scrotum sack 45.00
before the zambia trip as in the karoo,eastern cape, i never spent more than 7000 total.
for get about the 30000 safaris
we drank wine and beer and everything you could want in the bush
i will also show you camp pictures.
jim
an afrikan rain storm
 

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jimjet

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OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO SHIT
DO YOU RECOGNIZE THE HAT??
my dealer gave me a new one just for the trip.
jim

does this have something to do with bling the hat i mean
or homage to the mark???
 
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