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     Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2002 |
Article in car connection today on 2005 Disco: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956 Rumored Peugeot engine 2.7 V6, wow, engine's going to surrender on its first off-road outting. | ||||||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 517 Registered: 08-2002 |
We don't need no stinking French Engine!!! Also rumored possible jaguar V8... | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2298 Registered: 04-2002 |
../27/21131.html"#444444"> | Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2002 |
Oops sorry, didn't see that previous post, I'm always a day late and a dollar short. | ||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2299 Registered: 04-2002 |
its all good, I even saved you the 'welcome to last week' pic this time LOL  | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 708 Registered: 09-2002 |
come on Carter....post the pic. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those headlights will fit in my D1... | ||||||
| Nick A. (Nick) New Member Username: Nick Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
FWIW I heard from a LR sales rep that the engine will be the modular Ford V-8,sure beats the antique POS engine that is in these things now. | ||||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peugeot engine is a diesel, developed with peugeot because Fords diesel experience is so pathetic but will be build in Dagenham, Essex, a former Ford Car plant. | ||||||
| Narinder Pal (Narinder) New Member Username: Narinder Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
 here is a pic..i like my 97 disco better | ||||||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 226 Registered: 03-2002 |
is it just me or do I see a hint of IFS right inside the vehicle's left wheel? | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
Disco is dead.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 53 Registered: 04-2003 |
dead and decomposing | ||||||
| Yaroslav (Andr6761) New Member Username: Andr6761 Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2002 |
wow what a piece of shit... | ||||||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle - with that pronouncement, it's like deja vu all over again. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2003 |
Share explorer bits? Thats scarey. By the way how could you improve off road handling as claimed with Monocoque construction and independant suspension front and rear as rumoured - this I have to see | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2002 |
well what is there definition of off-road, a gravel road, yes it could be smoother, thats about it... Marcel | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2002 |
Body on frame W/independant suspension. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Better start stocking up on parts boys - This new Disco is for trips to the shopping mall only, by the looks of it. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2002 |
Y'know for the most part you guys are right on the money but the fact that you are trashing the Disco with no idea what is under it, on it or around it is pretty pathetic. "What a piece of shit" ?? where does that come from??? you have no real idea what it can do or anything of the like yet you call it a piece of shit?? is this because its new?? so by that assumption I guess any vehicle that comes out in 2005 is a piece of shit as well... hell the new RR is a piece of shit too, right....Not trying to start a flame war here, just saying you shouldnt talk out of your ass when you have no idea what is going on...as for the IFS, well, you have no idea what is being planned and I doubt you were involved with the engineering so wait until it has been put through some test before you trash it. BTW-- went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 111 Registered: 09-2002 |
and in my humble opinion I think the new style, from what I can see looks pretty good, the roofline especially seems to be a good idea to eliminate wind noise, but oh wait, Im talking out of my ass now because there is no offical word on this and no one has actually seen one...just your dealer talking out of his....well, you know... | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey, it's like this. IFS in the disco like the range rover is a compromise. not in just offroad ability but trialside repair and things of that nature. true, the new 2005 disco might be built to high standards electrons all work no odd starting issues and shit like that. but in regards to the complexity, it will be a POS. we all deal with the headaches of the land rovers because of their rugged design and thoughtfull mechanical engineering behind them. if those traits leave land rover so will it's legacy. rd | ||||||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2052 Registered: 10-2001 |
hey blue. keep the wifes explorer, so in 2 years you can sell parts off it on Ebay as '05 Disco parts. | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2002 |
I'll just say my piece, but first a quote: "The third generation Discovery will have a longer wheelbase (113.4 inches, up from 100.0) and a longer and lower body that will be sleeker while keeping traditional styling cues. A Range Rover-style clamshell hood and split tailgate are expected. Body-on-frame construction remains, but an air sprung independant suspension will replace the current solid axles. The ancient OHV V-8 makes way for a Jaguar-derived 4.2 liter DOHC V-8. In 2005 an entry level Discovery will recieve a ford V-6 engine, which likely will come to the states in 3.0 liter guise." -Automobile Magazine May 2003 H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. This suspension setup can be made to provide wonderful off road ability, especially when attached to a ladder frame. The problem I see is the dissappearance of that stellar COG with the removal of those heavy suspension componants. They can still be modified, but it will cost money. Look, the more money they make off of this part of their line, the more likely they will be to bring the defender back over intact. Even LR can't ignore what people are dreaming about these days; Jeep Rubicon, H2 etc... They won't change the defender too much, as Britain uses the things for light military vehicles. Without sales, however, we won't see it again. Ford isn't going to personally finance that venture no matter how promising it may be. I see eventually a defender with a revised interior and possibly a roll hoop as an option that can be pre-installed for NAS models. That could be their big seller, they simply have to show that they can make money first. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , shuttup. I suspect one is just as good to you as the other cause you are clueless... Yeah , I am saying its a POS..... And if they are spanking your Disco its probably a POS as well. Or maybe you just cant drive that "Bad Rover" of yours. Ever think of that ? Maybe you have some Explorer envy that needs to be satisfied..... Again POS POS POS... Disco is Dead , its started dying in 99.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2303 Registered: 04-2002 |
"Many Baja trucks use independant suspension" Many Baja trucks are also 2wd, I don't think that is really saying much for the offroad capabilities of an independent suspension Land Rover unless you want to start a Land Rover offroad racing team like the douche bag with the XZLs | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
Since I don't know what is under the hood Cory and I don't want to talk out of my ass. How about this, it looks like a piece of shit! I think that is very objective point of view. Let's lower all our Disco's so we can be ready for the 2005 model. | ||||||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2002 |
" H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. " Yes. And all of these are really designed just for fast travel over rough yet failrly flat terrain. Not for what I wheel - rutty steep hill climbs. I know some rockcrawler buggies now sport independent but so what. It does not mean it's "better", so why not stick with straight axles. If for nothing else, then for their simplicity. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corky, my sincerest apologies for offending you. Let me qualify my deragatory statements about the 2005 Disco by saying the following: "From what I have seen so far, it is a piece of shit." One might say that it will be "One bad rover". | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2002 |
It all comes down to economics, as all of you know, 90-95% of all suv's never go off-road, and the current trend is to build suv's for all those soccer moms that want the thing to drive like a car. We 5% or less that actually go off-road are not going to have any say into what Land Rover is going to build, they will build whatever these soccer moms want because that is where the money is, and as a result you have here the 2005 Disco. I have to agree with Kyle, the Disco is dead, the days of easily lifting, modifying, or even working on new Land Rover are over. R.I.P Disco, soccer moms are coming. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 112 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where?? out your ass...sorry again but its true. Sounds more like you are pissed off cause you cant afford it so you talk shit on it. I cant afford it either but I am willing to admit when superior design is there. if disco is so dead then wtf are you driving?? I have also seen some pretty competent D2s rolling around as well. EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: IF YOU HAVE A D2 YOU DRIVE A POS, KYLE CAN OUT WHEEL YOU ANYDAY, DISCO IS DEAD... you are a jackass...you should hang out on a Ford board and talk about how good the old f150 used to be.... Bill-- As for the lowering, well I suppose you are still riding around on stock suspension in your disco?? I think not, do you think there will be no lifts available for the 2005?? Maybe you havent noticed but all discos are pretty low to the ground, disco 1 included. Hence why there is so many posts about lifts etc...and why most people who ride their rovers hard end up with a lift on them. And one last note, military applications are designed to go anywhere at anytime and be dependable, do you think that when AM designed the H1 that they hadnt heard of a straight axle??? I think they chose independant for a reason, or maybe all of their engineers hadnt heard of the "new" straight axle technology... Seriously, there isnt a conspiracy out there to make the new rovers less competent off road, there are new designs that come out all the time and the true test of intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Im sure that if the internet was around back when that someone would have had a war about fuel injection being not nearly as good as a good ole 4barrel, probably would have used the same arguements as Kyle too.... and as for the rest, well, all I can do is refer you to the true test of intelligence above...get with it, or get out of the way.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 113 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh--Rob, thanks for the comments, I agree with you for the most part, but without getting underneath it and working on it how can you say that it has been designed like a POS, it may be different, but that doesnt mean its not just as capable...btw you would have been seriously impressed by the RR, the only flaw I saw was that the paint was scratched, by trees and such, far too easily...oh and the mudflaps fall off with barely a glance.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2003 |
Wow, the new RR is "is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there". I didn't know that. You learn something new every day. Thanks. | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Yeah, yeah, but it's freak'n ugly - IFS or no IFS. Oh yes, the Disco has always looked like no other but in my opinion the new styling is lacking unless you are into the Buick Rendevous rear end look - blah. Maybe they are threatened by the H2 look..I don't know. I'm disappointed. To each his own I guess and I unfortunately am not one of them. My spider senses are tingling..........Got to get more parts........D1 good.......2005 ugly.... | ||||||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe this will cause all of our Diso's to start appreciating in value? | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2002 |
its also a masked concept right now... Im just saying trash it once its out an youve driven around in it and found what it is actually lacking, I dont expect it to be nearly as good as my D1, just waiting to see it to make a true eval. and sorry if I got a little hot there....just my opinion and I think all of you guys are great, even if I think you are wrong sometimes.... :D | ||||||
| D H (Fhg) New Member Username: Fhg Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
Considering the excellent Range Rover III, personally I have great confidence in the Land Rover guys’ ability to update the Discovery. Problem is that most of the engineering of the RR was apparently done by the chaps over in Munich (BMW). Hope the people at Ford (PAG) can deliver a similar excellent input - considering what they are learning with the new Aston Martin and Jaguar (XJ) in terms of advanced construction techniques and materials, I’m sure they can bring some novel construction and clever engineering solutions to the Discovery. I’m willing to bet styling will be spot on. Though the current disco suspension concept has many merits (as all us disco drivers will attest) I’m excited about things moving on in the direction of cleverly designed independent suspension (the way the RR has done). Adaptive suspension systems I think has great future in advanced off-roaders – I’ve been amazed how much ACE and SLS improved the Disco II over the Disco I (in my own opinion, I’m sure some won’t agree…), and I’m now a believer! But for the purists amongst us who will never forsake the live axle, I think Land Rover should thoroughly update the Defender and move that vehicle up to the space left by Discovery if they go the independent suspension way. As for the diesel engine… Peugeot are well known for their superb diesel engines in their hatchbacks, and have great confidence they can apply their extensive knowledge to make a fantastic diesel alternative to the Jaguar V8 petrol engine (remember that most Disco’s in Europe are diesels). As TD5 enthusiast, I’m also a firm believer in diesel tech! We live in an era of outsourcing and specialisation, so if Land Rover outsource development of stuff like diesel engines to reputable and knowledgeable companies the end result can only be a better product. Lets just hope they thoroughly test and debug it before releasing it – so that we end up with a product that’s more than the sum of its parts! However its great to read how much faith you guys put in your tried and tested tech in the Disco I. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those alleged POS headlights would fit on my D1.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 |
they should put a permanent mask on that roofline too. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Guys, dont pick on Corey, he just has no clue, I think they call it ignorance. =p I also get the impression you dont go wheeling much.. If you did, you would probably have come across all the stuck H1's and other IFS trucks that get cross axled on the smallest of gulleys. The 03 RR does quite well in those situations because of the computers controlling wheel slippage and the torsion differential or whatever its called. If your Disco 1 couldnt go where the 03 RR did, then you have some serious flaws in your truck (even stock) or your driving ability. The fact that you also dont recognize the fundamental flaws in these new trucks with IFS and computer controlled traction is also disturbing. If you ever go offroading, then you may know that things break from time to time. How in the hell are you going to fix anything, or even make it so you can limp home or get off the trail if you have to work on an IFS, or fix a computer, or your one traction providing element goes bad.. A disco 1 will be in bed and warm long before a 03 RR owner or this new 05 Disco if something goes wrong in the field. Solid axles have been around for 60 plus years in Jeep and Land Rovers for a reason.. they work, and they last.. The new IFS has been developed by engineers to make a "compromise" as Rob mentioned earlier for the highway driving crowd for comfort. For you to refute 60 years of offroad heritage with a Ford deisgned mall crawler with IFS is rediculous.. The H1 is hardly a killer offroad vehicle. Ask any marine.. they get stuck and breakdown all the time.. They refer to them as the ultimate piece of shit. The marines I know all prefer the few Defenders and G-Wagons they have. The 03 RR wouldnt last 5 minutes on the "real" trails here in Colorado. The large rocks would destroy its undercarriage, doors, and the lack of articulation would leave it with 2 wheels off the ground 90% of the time. To suggest it would outwheel Kyles disco is even more rediculous.. Its not even worth addressing.. I like the 03 RR, and thinks its excellent, but it is no D90, or 110, or Disco.. D1. The D2 is worse because of the lack of CDL. Thats why the Disco dies in 99. (yes I know some D2's have cdl, but you get the point.) Its fine to like this POS 05 Disco if you want, but dont try to say for one minute that it will be capable offroad like the Land Rover heritage.. It wont be.. by design.. Ford has really blown this one.. and its the ego of some engineer or designer that has destroyed it. Maybe Ford will wake up and see the light that someone at jeep did that brought about the Rubicon. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey guys I hate to say it, but the New RR is EXTREMELY competant off road - I have driven one. As for lack of articulation, its better than standard DISCO; its not the Torsen CD or the better than O2 traction control, its the hydraulic/computer controlled suspension that senses one wheel going up on say the drivers side front end and FORCES the passenger side wheel down - it actually simulates live axel and that, despite being a TECHNO DRAMA if it goes wrong, is pretty clever. Having said all that, the petrol engine, whilst tractable is not as torquey off idle as the DII and that means a lot. The TD6 is pretty good. On deep sand they are crap and do their best to bury themselves because of one thing that lets them down - LOW PROFILE TYRES!!. They look great, but give a rangie 16" wheels and at least 70 profile tyres and you would probably not stop it on the beach. 2CENTS | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey thanks for the back up, I dont think richard has been in a new RR or seen one go. Its pretty obvious or he wouldnt make the comments he did. If you want to think I cant drive thats fine.. more power to ya, but Id be willing to bet that the high unita ranges- in utah, which is where we were, are as bad if not worse than anything I have seen in Colorado and not to be a dick but I should know, I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines... so talk all you like, I know what I have done and I know how impressed I was with the new RR, its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game. and your 60 year argument..do you actually think that it is the best design ever, it can never be improved on?? C'mon seriously this is the carb vs. fuel injected arguement, its not better you are just used to it and used to how you need to drive with it. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
I have seen many 03 Rangies, and seen them wheeling.. they are quite good.. I never said they werent , but they cant compete against kyles disco, or mine, or most others on here. They go great up hills and the such, but would be toast on big rocks, stumps, etc.. oh well, im not here to piss back and forth, ive said my thoughts, thats all.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
actually, i think have completely mistated my opinion.. the 03 rangie probably could go on the trails here in Colorado, and keep up with the d90's , discos, and the like. It however would get destroyed in the process... extremely destroyed.. While the other would get through unschathed. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , you are a fucking Moron and that pretty much explains your whole take on this thread. You have been Exploring Ghost towns ? Fucking LO fucking L. You really really have no clue do you ? If you look back at some of Land Rovers own advertising you will see some serious flaws in IFS. I am sure they tore that shit down and buried it now but it used to hang in every show room. Now Corey , how does the ETC do when the going gets slow and intricate ? How does that front end strip down in the feild ? Hell , how does an old one strip down ? You probably dont know either and therefore really just dont see the difference. The claims you have made here just show how stupid you really are.... Thanks for the laugh. And by the way. Tell any of those boys with an 03 range rover that I will go head to head with them on the hardest trails we can find , title for title. Thats easy enough. Put up or shut the fuck up... Moron Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2002 |
I'm in full agreement with you, but modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing. and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel... | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2002 |
You fucking dip shit , you CANT modify it in the same way. God damn you are a dumb fuck. You seen a lifted IFS truck ? Shall we go back to darby ? Buy some books , take some seminars , shut the fuck up..... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2002 |
"and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel..." Again , showing your inexperience. Ask Rob , Al , Ax , Hell , most of the people I have ever been out with have managed that awe inspiring feat... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Its hot in here | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Kyle is right. You are a first class moron dipshit. How do I know this? Your statements are so absurd it's patently obvious you're talking out of your ass when you say one truck is more capable than another. "went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit." This is so revealing. A stocker 03 Rangie kicked your ass? As others have said, your truck is either a POS or you can't drive for shit, or both. I love how you add that your truck has the full-on OME and skid plates. LOL. You say it as if it had some real meaning. You got the poseur goodies, the stuff that shows. You got any drivetrain in your One Bad Disco? Of course not. I've seen the 03 Rangie on the trail and it's a nice truck. But it can't come even close to doing what what a well modified Rover can do. It's not even close. The fact that you think it can tells volumes about what you know or don't know. Here are some pics of an 03 Rangie on the trail: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1813.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1820.jpg I use the word "trail" loosely there. That was a dirt road. And the Rangie still got two flat tires and had to be nursed home with 20 different Safety Seal plugs in the sidewall. Take that stocker on a real trail and it's sure to suffer lots of body damage and flat tires at a bare minimum. "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where??" It comes from your revealing statements and your self-proclaimed "One Bad Disco" claim to fame. There are certain things that someone can say that are dead giveaways. And you've said things that are so absurd that you are clearly not a MENSA with an unusually high IQ. Here are some pics of Kyle's Disco: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/dusy/dsc00205.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/rubicon/DSC006946.jpg I'm not claiming those pics are Armageddon or something. They're not. But they're pics of trails that are well beyond the ability of a stocker 03 Rangie. "I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines..." You are one huge dumb ass. If you have been wheeling as long as you claim, you would know that you're not supposed to blaze your own trails you idiot. You're supposed to stay on established trails. It's stupid fucks like you who give fourwheeling a bad name and get trails closed. And this is yet another revealing statement that shows you for what you are. You think it sounds impressive to have full-on OME suspension and skid plates and use some Leggo my Eggo bridging ladders to cross ravines? To knowledgeable people, you just sound like some moron wannabe who's seen too many Camel Trophy videos. "its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game." This is another moronic statement from you. Do you think one breaks axles from impacts? Or something else? Or was this not covered in your Idiot's Guide To Acting Like A Big Shot On The Web? "modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing." Yet another revealing statement. And you say others are talking out of their asses? You sound just as dumb as that Michelin XZL guy. You're the one who's talking out of his ass. Incidentally, you might want to change your profile. The "One Bad Disco" is another dead giveaway that you're a FUCKING LOSER! | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2003 |
I drove one of the best stock off road vehicles availible in the US, the rubicon, and thought it needed a lift and to cut off the ends of the bumpers or replace the bumpers. No vehicle is really show room ready for the off road usage we discuss here on dweb without even a small amount of modification. How many discovery owners (D1 and 2) have cut their bumper covers in the front or removed running boards? Maybe the RR3 is better than a D1 stock, but how many trail runners on this board can actually get to where they want to go in stock vehicles? I live in UT too, I see plenty of dirt roads that need no mod in any truck to do, hell I could take my wifes Audi. But lots of places here need a lift and a vehicle that is easy to fix or at least limp home from the middle of BFE. Take a RR3 and lift it then break it at the end of hole in the rock and see how well that technology works for you. Will on-star come out the same day with a helicopter to air lift your truck out? I think the complex nature of the RR3 will limit the availiblity of parts to modify it. I'd really like to see a reliable lift used on a RR3, like Kyle said look at "darby" for how well that worked. Those IFs and IRS trucks will be not a good choice for trail running. True some rock crawlers run independent suspension, but there trailer to take them home are always close by. I bet there will be a sfa and sfr 2005 disco availible, we just won't be able to buy it in the US. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh, one more thing. That story of yours about the 03 Rangie wading in water that was deep enough to go to the middle of the windshield is bullshit. The fact that you thought anyone would be stupid enough to believe it shows just how stupid you are. Your story is about as credible as JimmyG's story about how his Disco turned into a Seawolf submarine and went 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Bullshit. No truck can go that deep without some serious mods. Perhaps that Rangie owner pulled one over on you and had a SCUBA tank connected to the engine? Or there was some magic air bubble under the hood? Who knows. All I know is your story is not credible. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2003 |
and done. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
I can't speak for marines but as an army officer going on 13 years I can tell you that the H1 is a fantastic truck. It does not get stuck "all the time" and does not break down either. The Marines probably don't perform maintenance because the cant read the manual. I have driven the H1 all over..... Europe, Bosnia, Kuwait, and you have to be pretty stupid to get one stuck. IFS is not such a bad thing if set up right. Ford porobably won't set it up right but who knows. As for the G-wagon and Defenders.. well the Ranger Battalions use Defenders, they are in the process of geting rid of them, the only advantage they have is that they are a lot more narrow than the H1. They don't have anywhere close to the torque that the H1 has and the reduction gears at the hubs of that independent suspension multiply the torque in a way that cant be done with a solid axle. Just my opinion, but it is backed up by experience.---Matt | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yup I bet you could go even deeper then the windshield Marcel | ||||||
| Neal Glessner (Nealg) Senior Member Username: Nealg Post Number: 642 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! "a MENSA with an unusually high IQ". I know where that came from. | ||||||
| John E. King, Jr. (Cadet007) New Member Username: Cadet007 Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Matt, Good post about the H1. I haven't been in the Army as long (2 years, officer) but I have seen the H1 do some great things. I'm stationed here in Alaska, and there is no better test of a vehicle's offroad prowess than the muskeg up here. It's like driving on jello and I've seen the H1 eat it up. I'm sure future rovers will be great vehicles and we'll like them as much as the ones we have now. Have we given up on them putting in diesels and bringing the CDL over? I like a vehicle with good lines, but the body can look less than desireable if I can get these things. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
About the H1.. I have friends in the marines right now, and aside from your cant read remark, they all think the H1 is shit.. As they were storming Baghdad 2 weeks ago, they were getting stuck left and right in the ruts , as were the LAV's, and they were having massive overheating problems, and break downs. granted alot of it was probably from the dust. They have all mentioned in specific, how crap they performed. Im not really sure what to say about your comment about the defenders, it makes me think you dont know what they are or something. They outperform the H1 continually. Maybe you saw the Defenders driving up the stairs and smashing through the doors of the palace in Basrah? I think a H1 probably might have had enough torque to get up the stairs and bust open the door, but .. hmm it wouldnt have gotten through the door like the D90 did.. its too PHAT!!.. and thus the 50cal gunner couldnt have cleared the room... oh well.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
btw... lets not forget what might have been under BMW... too bad they chucked it.. http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Defender_MY.htm | ||||||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2003 |
The '05 Disco's are the fucking ugliest thing i have ever seen. Looks like the new 4Runners, which suck offroad. What the hell is the world coming to when a man finally gets happy with his type of vehicle and they go and pull some shit like this. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 172 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah my cousin was an Army Ranger he said they got rid of the Hummers for the D-90. Does anyone know the final crawl ratio of a hummer. Reduction at the hubs seem like more to go wrong. yeah yeah portals are neat but I rather have a dynatrac 60. Another bit of info he told me was that the army had to pay the Rover mechnics more to keep them in army because they would go to work for dealerships and the like. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2002 |
"If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep?" Scott. Get your own schtick. My D1(with D3 headlights) will kick your D2's(with RR3 headlights) ass ANY day. Has anyone run headlight breather lines to their snorkle? So my lights have oxygen and I can run them under water. | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 632 Registered: 02-2002 |
guess the adjective "Classic" for early RRs will become even more kismet as LR ages. Jaime | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2003 |
Neil, you have forgotthen that I am an Aussie - what the fuck is "Schtick" and how do you use it? By the way, I take up your challenge and expect to see you in Sunny Queensland as soon as the bridge between Australia and the US is built. S | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 510 Registered: 07-2002 |
I like the RR '03 and the new Disco, and they are pretty good off road - probably the best you can buy right off the line. If I had the money I would buy the new stuff. But the point here that we all seem to be making is that WE LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL!! We WANT a TRUCK! We won't buy the new stuff unless we can also buy new OLD SCHOOL style. Bring the "current year" Defenders back into the states and I will buy new LR's all day long (...dreaming of fat pockets full of money...) but actually have fun in the DEFENDER or old style DISCOVERY I or II (w/CDL). That said, the stupid "Discovery" pictured above is really terrible looking. I would certainly buy a Freelander for on-road driv |
