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     Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 161 Registered: 07-2002 |
Article in car connection today on 2005 Disco: http://www.thecarconnection.com/index.asp?article=5956 Rumored Peugeot engine 2.7 V6, wow, engine's going to surrender on its first off-road outting. | ||||||
| Rans (Rans) Senior Member Username: Rans Post Number: 517 Registered: 08-2002 |
We don't need no stinking French Engine!!! Also rumored possible jaguar V8... | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2298 Registered: 04-2002 |
../27/21131.html"#444444"> | Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 163 Registered: 07-2002 |
Oops sorry, didn't see that previous post, I'm always a day late and a dollar short. | ||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2299 Registered: 04-2002 |
its all good, I even saved you the 'welcome to last week' pic this time LOL  | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 708 Registered: 09-2002 |
come on Carter....post the pic. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 89 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those headlights will fit in my D1... | ||||||
| Nick A. (Nick) New Member Username: Nick Post Number: 10 Registered: 03-2003 |
FWIW I heard from a LR sales rep that the engine will be the modular Ford V-8,sure beats the antique POS engine that is in these things now. | ||||||
| Chris Browne (Chris_browne) Member Username: Chris_browne Post Number: 76 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peugeot engine is a diesel, developed with peugeot because Fords diesel experience is so pathetic but will be build in Dagenham, Essex, a former Ford Car plant. | ||||||
| Narinder Pal (Narinder) New Member Username: Narinder Post Number: 13 Registered: 03-2003 |
 here is a pic..i like my 97 disco better | ||||||
| Brad Russell (Bradnc) Member Username: Bradnc Post Number: 226 Registered: 03-2002 |
is it just me or do I see a hint of IFS right inside the vehicle's left wheel? | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 230 Registered: 11-2002 |
Disco is dead.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 53 Registered: 04-2003 |
dead and decomposing | ||||||
| Yaroslav (Andr6761) New Member Username: Andr6761 Post Number: 35 Registered: 07-2002 |
wow what a piece of shit... | ||||||
| Kirk Thibault (Kirkt) Member Username: Kirkt Post Number: 60 Registered: 11-2002 |
Kyle - with that pronouncement, it's like deja vu all over again. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 35 Registered: 02-2003 |
Share explorer bits? Thats scarey. By the way how could you improve off road handling as claimed with Monocoque construction and independant suspension front and rear as rumoured - this I have to see | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2002 |
well what is there definition of off-road, a gravel road, yes it could be smoother, thats about it... Marcel | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 345 Registered: 05-2002 |
Body on frame W/independant suspension. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Better start stocking up on parts boys - This new Disco is for trips to the shopping mall only, by the looks of it. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 110 Registered: 09-2002 |
Y'know for the most part you guys are right on the money but the fact that you are trashing the Disco with no idea what is under it, on it or around it is pretty pathetic. "What a piece of shit" ?? where does that come from??? you have no real idea what it can do or anything of the like yet you call it a piece of shit?? is this because its new?? so by that assumption I guess any vehicle that comes out in 2005 is a piece of shit as well... hell the new RR is a piece of shit too, right....Not trying to start a flame war here, just saying you shouldnt talk out of your ass when you have no idea what is going on...as for the IFS, well, you have no idea what is being planned and I doubt you were involved with the engineering so wait until it has been put through some test before you trash it. BTW-- went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 111 Registered: 09-2002 |
and in my humble opinion I think the new style, from what I can see looks pretty good, the roofline especially seems to be a good idea to eliminate wind noise, but oh wait, Im talking out of my ass now because there is no offical word on this and no one has actually seen one...just your dealer talking out of his....well, you know... | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 247 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey, it's like this. IFS in the disco like the range rover is a compromise. not in just offroad ability but trialside repair and things of that nature. true, the new 2005 disco might be built to high standards electrons all work no odd starting issues and shit like that. but in regards to the complexity, it will be a POS. we all deal with the headaches of the land rovers because of their rugged design and thoughtfull mechanical engineering behind them. if those traits leave land rover so will it's legacy. rd | ||||||
| gp (Garrett) Senior Member Username: Garrett Post Number: 2052 Registered: 10-2001 |
hey blue. keep the wifes explorer, so in 2 years you can sell parts off it on Ebay as '05 Disco parts. | ||||||
| Kennith P. Whichard III (Kennith) Senior Member Username: Kennith Post Number: 346 Registered: 05-2002 |
I'll just say my piece, but first a quote: "The third generation Discovery will have a longer wheelbase (113.4 inches, up from 100.0) and a longer and lower body that will be sleeker while keeping traditional styling cues. A Range Rover-style clamshell hood and split tailgate are expected. Body-on-frame construction remains, but an air sprung independant suspension will replace the current solid axles. The ancient OHV V-8 makes way for a Jaguar-derived 4.2 liter DOHC V-8. In 2005 an entry level Discovery will recieve a ford V-6 engine, which likely will come to the states in 3.0 liter guise." -Automobile Magazine May 2003 H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. This suspension setup can be made to provide wonderful off road ability, especially when attached to a ladder frame. The problem I see is the dissappearance of that stellar COG with the removal of those heavy suspension componants. They can still be modified, but it will cost money. Look, the more money they make off of this part of their line, the more likely they will be to bring the defender back over intact. Even LR can't ignore what people are dreaming about these days; Jeep Rubicon, H2 etc... They won't change the defender too much, as Britain uses the things for light military vehicles. Without sales, however, we won't see it again. Ford isn't going to personally finance that venture no matter how promising it may be. I see eventually a defender with a revised interior and possibly a roll hoop as an option that can be pre-installed for NAS models. That could be their big seller, they simply have to show that they can make money first. Cheers, Kennith | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 234 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , shuttup. I suspect one is just as good to you as the other cause you are clueless... Yeah , I am saying its a POS..... And if they are spanking your Disco its probably a POS as well. Or maybe you just cant drive that "Bad Rover" of yours. Ever think of that ? Maybe you have some Explorer envy that needs to be satisfied..... Again POS POS POS... Disco is Dead , its started dying in 99.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 165 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2303 Registered: 04-2002 |
"Many Baja trucks use independant suspension" Many Baja trucks are also 2wd, I don't think that is really saying much for the offroad capabilities of an independent suspension Land Rover unless you want to start a Land Rover offroad racing team like the douche bag with the XZLs | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 14 Registered: 03-2003 |
Since I don't know what is under the hood Cory and I don't want to talk out of my ass. How about this, it looks like a piece of shit! I think that is very objective point of view. Let's lower all our Disco's so we can be ready for the 2005 model. | ||||||
| Milan (Milan) Member Username: Milan Post Number: 192 Registered: 10-2002 |
" H1, body on frame, independant suspension. New RR, monocoque frame, independant suspension. Many Baja trucks use independant suspension. Many Military vehicles use independant suspension. " Yes. And all of these are really designed just for fast travel over rough yet failrly flat terrain. Not for what I wheel - rutty steep hill climbs. I know some rockcrawler buggies now sport independent but so what. It does not mean it's "better", so why not stick with straight axles. If for nothing else, then for their simplicity. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 55 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corky, my sincerest apologies for offending you. Let me qualify my deragatory statements about the 2005 Disco by saying the following: "From what I have seen so far, it is a piece of shit." One might say that it will be "One bad rover". | ||||||
| Alan Bates (Alanb) Member Username: Alanb Post Number: 164 Registered: 07-2002 |
It all comes down to economics, as all of you know, 90-95% of all suv's never go off-road, and the current trend is to build suv's for all those soccer moms that want the thing to drive like a car. We 5% or less that actually go off-road are not going to have any say into what Land Rover is going to build, they will build whatever these soccer moms want because that is where the money is, and as a result you have here the 2005 Disco. I have to agree with Kyle, the Disco is dead, the days of easily lifting, modifying, or even working on new Land Rover are over. R.I.P Disco, soccer moms are coming. | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 112 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where?? out your ass...sorry again but its true. Sounds more like you are pissed off cause you cant afford it so you talk shit on it. I cant afford it either but I am willing to admit when superior design is there. if disco is so dead then wtf are you driving?? I have also seen some pretty competent D2s rolling around as well. EVERYONE TAKE NOTE: IF YOU HAVE A D2 YOU DRIVE A POS, KYLE CAN OUT WHEEL YOU ANYDAY, DISCO IS DEAD... you are a jackass...you should hang out on a Ford board and talk about how good the old f150 used to be.... Bill-- As for the lowering, well I suppose you are still riding around on stock suspension in your disco?? I think not, do you think there will be no lifts available for the 2005?? Maybe you havent noticed but all discos are pretty low to the ground, disco 1 included. Hence why there is so many posts about lifts etc...and why most people who ride their rovers hard end up with a lift on them. And one last note, military applications are designed to go anywhere at anytime and be dependable, do you think that when AM designed the H1 that they hadnt heard of a straight axle??? I think they chose independant for a reason, or maybe all of their engineers hadnt heard of the "new" straight axle technology... Seriously, there isnt a conspiracy out there to make the new rovers less competent off road, there are new designs that come out all the time and the true test of intelligence is the ability to adapt to change. Im sure that if the internet was around back when that someone would have had a war about fuel injection being not nearly as good as a good ole 4barrel, probably would have used the same arguements as Kyle too.... and as for the rest, well, all I can do is refer you to the true test of intelligence above...get with it, or get out of the way.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 113 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh--Rob, thanks for the comments, I agree with you for the most part, but without getting underneath it and working on it how can you say that it has been designed like a POS, it may be different, but that doesnt mean its not just as capable...btw you would have been seriously impressed by the RR, the only flaw I saw was that the paint was scratched, by trees and such, far too easily...oh and the mudflaps fall off with barely a glance.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 59 Registered: 04-2003 |
Wow, the new RR is "is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there". I didn't know that. You learn something new every day. Thanks. | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 24 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Yeah, yeah, but it's freak'n ugly - IFS or no IFS. Oh yes, the Disco has always looked like no other but in my opinion the new styling is lacking unless you are into the Buick Rendevous rear end look - blah. Maybe they are threatened by the H2 look..I don't know. I'm disappointed. To each his own I guess and I unfortunately am not one of them. My spider senses are tingling..........Got to get more parts........D1 good.......2005 ugly.... | ||||||
| Kelly Fristoe (Kfristoe) New Member Username: Kfristoe Post Number: 32 Registered: 12-2002 |
Maybe this will cause all of our Diso's to start appreciating in value? | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 114 Registered: 09-2002 |
its also a masked concept right now... Im just saying trash it once its out an youve driven around in it and found what it is actually lacking, I dont expect it to be nearly as good as my D1, just waiting to see it to make a true eval. and sorry if I got a little hot there....just my opinion and I think all of you guys are great, even if I think you are wrong sometimes.... :D | ||||||
| D H (Fhg) New Member Username: Fhg Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
Considering the excellent Range Rover III, personally I have great confidence in the Land Rover guys’ ability to update the Discovery. Problem is that most of the engineering of the RR was apparently done by the chaps over in Munich (BMW). Hope the people at Ford (PAG) can deliver a similar excellent input - considering what they are learning with the new Aston Martin and Jaguar (XJ) in terms of advanced construction techniques and materials, I’m sure they can bring some novel construction and clever engineering solutions to the Discovery. I’m willing to bet styling will be spot on. Though the current disco suspension concept has many merits (as all us disco drivers will attest) I’m excited about things moving on in the direction of cleverly designed independent suspension (the way the RR has done). Adaptive suspension systems I think has great future in advanced off-roaders – I’ve been amazed how much ACE and SLS improved the Disco II over the Disco I (in my own opinion, I’m sure some won’t agree…), and I’m now a believer! But for the purists amongst us who will never forsake the live axle, I think Land Rover should thoroughly update the Defender and move that vehicle up to the space left by Discovery if they go the independent suspension way. As for the diesel engine… Peugeot are well known for their superb diesel engines in their hatchbacks, and have great confidence they can apply their extensive knowledge to make a fantastic diesel alternative to the Jaguar V8 petrol engine (remember that most Disco’s in Europe are diesels). As TD5 enthusiast, I’m also a firm believer in diesel tech! We live in an era of outsourcing and specialisation, so if Land Rover outsource development of stuff like diesel engines to reputable and knowledgeable companies the end result can only be a better product. Lets just hope they thoroughly test and debug it before releasing it – so that we end up with a product that’s more than the sum of its parts! However its great to read how much faith you guys put in your tried and tested tech in the Disco I. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 90 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if those alleged POS headlights would fit on my D1.... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 63 Registered: 04-2003 |
they should put a permanent mask on that roofline too. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 6 Registered: 04-2003 |
Guys, dont pick on Corey, he just has no clue, I think they call it ignorance. =p I also get the impression you dont go wheeling much.. If you did, you would probably have come across all the stuck H1's and other IFS trucks that get cross axled on the smallest of gulleys. The 03 RR does quite well in those situations because of the computers controlling wheel slippage and the torsion differential or whatever its called. If your Disco 1 couldnt go where the 03 RR did, then you have some serious flaws in your truck (even stock) or your driving ability. The fact that you also dont recognize the fundamental flaws in these new trucks with IFS and computer controlled traction is also disturbing. If you ever go offroading, then you may know that things break from time to time. How in the hell are you going to fix anything, or even make it so you can limp home or get off the trail if you have to work on an IFS, or fix a computer, or your one traction providing element goes bad.. A disco 1 will be in bed and warm long before a 03 RR owner or this new 05 Disco if something goes wrong in the field. Solid axles have been around for 60 plus years in Jeep and Land Rovers for a reason.. they work, and they last.. The new IFS has been developed by engineers to make a "compromise" as Rob mentioned earlier for the highway driving crowd for comfort. For you to refute 60 years of offroad heritage with a Ford deisgned mall crawler with IFS is rediculous.. The H1 is hardly a killer offroad vehicle. Ask any marine.. they get stuck and breakdown all the time.. They refer to them as the ultimate piece of shit. The marines I know all prefer the few Defenders and G-Wagons they have. The 03 RR wouldnt last 5 minutes on the "real" trails here in Colorado. The large rocks would destroy its undercarriage, doors, and the lack of articulation would leave it with 2 wheels off the ground 90% of the time. To suggest it would outwheel Kyles disco is even more rediculous.. Its not even worth addressing.. I like the 03 RR, and thinks its excellent, but it is no D90, or 110, or Disco.. D1. The D2 is worse because of the lack of CDL. Thats why the Disco dies in 99. (yes I know some D2's have cdl, but you get the point.) Its fine to like this POS 05 Disco if you want, but dont try to say for one minute that it will be capable offroad like the Land Rover heritage.. It wont be.. by design.. Ford has really blown this one.. and its the ego of some engineer or designer that has destroyed it. Maybe Ford will wake up and see the light that someone at jeep did that brought about the Rubicon. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 36 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey guys I hate to say it, but the New RR is EXTREMELY competant off road - I have driven one. As for lack of articulation, its better than standard DISCO; its not the Torsen CD or the better than O2 traction control, its the hydraulic/computer controlled suspension that senses one wheel going up on say the drivers side front end and FORCES the passenger side wheel down - it actually simulates live axel and that, despite being a TECHNO DRAMA if it goes wrong, is pretty clever. Having said all that, the petrol engine, whilst tractable is not as torquey off idle as the DII and that means a lot. The TD6 is pretty good. On deep sand they are crap and do their best to bury themselves because of one thing that lets them down - LOW PROFILE TYRES!!. They look great, but give a rangie 16" wheels and at least 70 profile tyres and you would probably not stop it on the beach. 2CENTS | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 115 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hey thanks for the back up, I dont think richard has been in a new RR or seen one go. Its pretty obvious or he wouldnt make the comments he did. If you want to think I cant drive thats fine.. more power to ya, but Id be willing to bet that the high unita ranges- in utah, which is where we were, are as bad if not worse than anything I have seen in Colorado and not to be a dick but I should know, I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines... so talk all you like, I know what I have done and I know how impressed I was with the new RR, its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game. and your 60 year argument..do you actually think that it is the best design ever, it can never be improved on?? C'mon seriously this is the carb vs. fuel injected arguement, its not better you are just used to it and used to how you need to drive with it. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 7 Registered: 04-2003 |
I have seen many 03 Rangies, and seen them wheeling.. they are quite good.. I never said they werent , but they cant compete against kyles disco, or mine, or most others on here. They go great up hills and the such, but would be toast on big rocks, stumps, etc.. oh well, im not here to piss back and forth, ive said my thoughts, thats all.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 8 Registered: 04-2003 |
actually, i think have completely mistated my opinion.. the 03 rangie probably could go on the trails here in Colorado, and keep up with the d90's , discos, and the like. It however would get destroyed in the process... extremely destroyed.. While the other would get through unschathed. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 235 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , you are a fucking Moron and that pretty much explains your whole take on this thread. You have been Exploring Ghost towns ? Fucking LO fucking L. You really really have no clue do you ? If you look back at some of Land Rovers own advertising you will see some serious flaws in IFS. I am sure they tore that shit down and buried it now but it used to hang in every show room. Now Corey , how does the ETC do when the going gets slow and intricate ? How does that front end strip down in the feild ? Hell , how does an old one strip down ? You probably dont know either and therefore really just dont see the difference. The claims you have made here just show how stupid you really are.... Thanks for the laugh. And by the way. Tell any of those boys with an 03 range rover that I will go head to head with them on the hardest trails we can find , title for title. Thats easy enough. Put up or shut the fuck up... Moron Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 116 Registered: 09-2002 |
I'm in full agreement with you, but modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing. and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel... | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 236 Registered: 11-2002 |
You fucking dip shit , you CANT modify it in the same way. God damn you are a dumb fuck. You seen a lifted IFS truck ? Shall we go back to darby ? Buy some books , take some seminars , shut the fuck up..... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 237 Registered: 11-2002 |
"and one thing the rangie did that I wouldnt dare was go up to the middle of the windshield in water, without a snorkel, drove to the other side of the river without a leak. I'd love to see the disco pull that off without a snorkel..." Again , showing your inexperience. Ask Rob , Al , Ax , Hell , most of the people I have ever been out with have managed that awe inspiring feat... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 169 Registered: 02-2003 |
take that. | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 38 Registered: 02-2003 |
Its hot in here | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 37 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, Kyle is right. You are a first class moron dipshit. How do I know this? Your statements are so absurd it's patently obvious you're talking out of your ass when you say one truck is more capable than another. "went out off roading with a 2003 RR two weeks ago, RR stock and my Disco1 with full OME susp, skids and sliders, guess what the RR went up hills, over obstacles and through water that I can only dream of, but I guess thats probably because its such a piece of shit." This is so revealing. A stocker 03 Rangie kicked your ass? As others have said, your truck is either a POS or you can't drive for shit, or both. I love how you add that your truck has the full-on OME and skid plates. LOL. You say it as if it had some real meaning. You got the poseur goodies, the stuff that shows. You got any drivetrain in your One Bad Disco? Of course not. I've seen the 03 Rangie on the trail and it's a nice truck. But it can't come even close to doing what what a well modified Rover can do. It's not even close. The fact that you think it can tells volumes about what you know or don't know. Here are some pics of an 03 Rangie on the trail: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1813.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/bbrr/DCP_1820.jpg I use the word "trail" loosely there. That was a dirt road. And the Rangie still got two flat tires and had to be nursed home with 20 different Safety Seal plugs in the sidewall. Take that stocker on a real trail and it's sure to suffer lots of body damage and flat tires at a bare minimum. "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true. your arguement is pretty useless as well, maybe I cant drive it?? this comes from where??" It comes from your revealing statements and your self-proclaimed "One Bad Disco" claim to fame. There are certain things that someone can say that are dead giveaways. And you've said things that are so absurd that you are clearly not a MENSA with an unusually high IQ. Here are some pics of Kyle's Disco: http://www.expeditionexchange.com/dusy/dsc00205.jpg http://www.expeditionexchange.com/rubicon/DSC006946.jpg I'm not claiming those pics are Armageddon or something. They're not. But they're pics of trails that are well beyond the ability of a stocker 03 Rangie. "I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines..." You are one huge dumb ass. If you have been wheeling as long as you claim, you would know that you're not supposed to blaze your own trails you idiot. You're supposed to stay on established trails. It's stupid fucks like you who give fourwheeling a bad name and get trails closed. And this is yet another revealing statement that shows you for what you are. You think it sounds impressive to have full-on OME suspension and skid plates and use some Leggo my Eggo bridging ladders to cross ravines? To knowledgeable people, you just sound like some moron wannabe who's seen too many Camel Trophy videos. "its great that you can fix a strait axle in the field(whatever) but I would venture that if you dont break the axle in the first place because its not in the way then you are way ahead of the game." This is another moronic statement from you. Do you think one breaks axles from impacts? Or something else? Or was this not covered in your Idiot's Guide To Acting Like A Big Shot On The Web? "modify the rangie in the same way as you have modified your own vehicles and see what it does.. coming from your point of view I could say that rangie completely puts your trucks to shame with on road stability but thats not comparing the same thing." Yet another revealing statement. And you say others are talking out of their asses? You sound just as dumb as that Michelin XZL guy. You're the one who's talking out of his ass. Incidentally, you might want to change your profile. The "One Bad Disco" is another dead giveaway that you're a FUCKING LOSER! | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 185 Registered: 01-2003 |
I drove one of the best stock off road vehicles availible in the US, the rubicon, and thought it needed a lift and to cut off the ends of the bumpers or replace the bumpers. No vehicle is really show room ready for the off road usage we discuss here on dweb without even a small amount of modification. How many discovery owners (D1 and 2) have cut their bumper covers in the front or removed running boards? Maybe the RR3 is better than a D1 stock, but how many trail runners on this board can actually get to where they want to go in stock vehicles? I live in UT too, I see plenty of dirt roads that need no mod in any truck to do, hell I could take my wifes Audi. But lots of places here need a lift and a vehicle that is easy to fix or at least limp home from the middle of BFE. Take a RR3 and lift it then break it at the end of hole in the rock and see how well that technology works for you. Will on-star come out the same day with a helicopter to air lift your truck out? I think the complex nature of the RR3 will limit the availiblity of parts to modify it. I'd really like to see a reliable lift used on a RR3, like Kyle said look at "darby" for how well that worked. Those IFs and IRS trucks will be not a good choice for trail running. True some rock crawlers run independent suspension, but there trailer to take them home are always close by. I bet there will be a sfa and sfr 2005 disco availible, we just won't be able to buy it in the US. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 38 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh, one more thing. That story of yours about the 03 Rangie wading in water that was deep enough to go to the middle of the windshield is bullshit. The fact that you thought anyone would be stupid enough to believe it shows just how stupid you are. Your story is about as credible as JimmyG's story about how his Disco turned into a Seawolf submarine and went 20,000 Leagues Under The Sea. Bullshit. No truck can go that deep without some serious mods. Perhaps that Rangie owner pulled one over on you and had a SCUBA tank connected to the engine? Or there was some magic air bubble under the hood? Who knows. All I know is your story is not credible. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 170 Registered: 02-2003 |
and done. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 27 Registered: 02-2003 |
I can't speak for marines but as an army officer going on 13 years I can tell you that the H1 is a fantastic truck. It does not get stuck "all the time" and does not break down either. The Marines probably don't perform maintenance because the cant read the manual. I have driven the H1 all over..... Europe, Bosnia, Kuwait, and you have to be pretty stupid to get one stuck. IFS is not such a bad thing if set up right. Ford porobably won't set it up right but who knows. As for the G-wagon and Defenders.. well the Ranger Battalions use Defenders, they are in the process of geting rid of them, the only advantage they have is that they are a lot more narrow than the H1. They don't have anywhere close to the torque that the H1 has and the reduction gears at the hubs of that independent suspension multiply the torque in a way that cant be done with a solid axle. Just my opinion, but it is backed up by experience.---Matt | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) New Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 39 Registered: 02-2003 |
If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep? | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yup I bet you could go even deeper then the windshield Marcel | ||||||
| Neal Glessner (Nealg) Senior Member Username: Nealg Post Number: 642 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL! "a MENSA with an unusually high IQ". I know where that came from. | ||||||
| John E. King, Jr. (Cadet007) New Member Username: Cadet007 Post Number: 6 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hey Matt, Good post about the H1. I haven't been in the Army as long (2 years, officer) but I have seen the H1 do some great things. I'm stationed here in Alaska, and there is no better test of a vehicle's offroad prowess than the muskeg up here. It's like driving on jello and I've seen the H1 eat it up. I'm sure future rovers will be great vehicles and we'll like them as much as the ones we have now. Have we given up on them putting in diesels and bringing the CDL over? I like a vehicle with good lines, but the body can look less than desireable if I can get these things. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 10 Registered: 04-2003 |
About the H1.. I have friends in the marines right now, and aside from your cant read remark, they all think the H1 is shit.. As they were storming Baghdad 2 weeks ago, they were getting stuck left and right in the ruts , as were the LAV's, and they were having massive overheating problems, and break downs. granted alot of it was probably from the dust. They have all mentioned in specific, how crap they performed. Im not really sure what to say about your comment about the defenders, it makes me think you dont know what they are or something. They outperform the H1 continually. Maybe you saw the Defenders driving up the stairs and smashing through the doors of the palace in Basrah? I think a H1 probably might have had enough torque to get up the stairs and bust open the door, but .. hmm it wouldnt have gotten through the door like the D90 did.. its too PHAT!!.. and thus the 50cal gunner couldnt have cleared the room... oh well.. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 11 Registered: 04-2003 |
btw... lets not forget what might have been under BMW... too bad they chucked it.. http://www.landroverclub.net/Club/HTML/Defender_MY.htm | ||||||
| Garrett (Rover7592) Member Username: Rover7592 Post Number: 107 Registered: 03-2003 |
The '05 Disco's are the fucking ugliest thing i have ever seen. Looks like the new 4Runners, which suck offroad. What the hell is the world coming to when a man finally gets happy with his type of vehicle and they go and pull some shit like this. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 172 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah my cousin was an Army Ranger he said they got rid of the Hummers for the D-90. Does anyone know the final crawl ratio of a hummer. Reduction at the hubs seem like more to go wrong. yeah yeah portals are neat but I rather have a dynatrac 60. Another bit of info he told me was that the army had to pay the Rover mechnics more to keep them in army because they would go to work for dealerships and the like. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 91 Registered: 02-2002 |
"If I put the RR3 healights on my 01 or 02 will they go that deep?" Scott. Get your own schtick. My D1(with D3 headlights) will kick your D2's(with RR3 headlights) ass ANY day. Has anyone run headlight breather lines to their snorkle? So my lights have oxygen and I can run them under water. | ||||||
| Jaime (Blueboy) Senior Member Username: Blueboy Post Number: 632 Registered: 02-2002 |
guess the adjective "Classic" for early RRs will become even more kismet as LR ages. Jaime | ||||||
| Scott Scott (Scottoz) Member Username: Scottoz Post Number: 42 Registered: 02-2003 |
Neil, you have forgotthen that I am an Aussie - what the fuck is "Schtick" and how do you use it? By the way, I take up your challenge and expect to see you in Sunny Queensland as soon as the bridge between Australia and the US is built. S | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 510 Registered: 07-2002 |
I like the RR '03 and the new Disco, and they are pretty good off road - probably the best you can buy right off the line. If I had the money I would buy the new stuff. But the point here that we all seem to be making is that WE LIKE THE OLD SCHOOL!! We WANT a TRUCK! We won't buy the new stuff unless we can also buy new OLD SCHOOL style. Bring the "current year" Defenders back into the states and I will buy new LR's all day long (...dreaming of fat pockets full of money...) but actually have fun in the DEFENDER or old style DISCOVERY I or II (w/CDL). That said, the stupid "Discovery" pictured above is really terrible looking. I would certainly buy a Freelander for on-road driving WAY before the Ford... | ||||||
| Corey (Discobro) Member Username: Discobro Post Number: 144 Registered: 12-2002 |
I agree RB. The whole point of the LRs is to be different and "European". Something rugged you can take off the pavement. That looks like... wow, very similar to a new Ford Explorer. Hmmm.... I wonder why Ford decided to change the lights in the 03 Explorer to projector beams??? | ||||||
| John Friederich (Jfriedlvcmcom) New Member Username: Jfriedlvcmcom Post Number: 25 Registered: 02-2003 |
It is 75% driver, 25% equpment, I think. I have more than one automotive interest. I can have an un-named someone else drive my '69 Datsun 2000 in a local autocross and get best time of day, where I can finish 4th in class if all goes well for me. Chassis loading, and all that. In my wife and my recent trip to Anza Borrego for Bill Burkes training, a spanking new RR made everything look easy, where a novice with a D90 & lockers had trouble with a few situations. BB was able to spot a rental Jeep Liberty with a first-timer up places the D90 got hung up on without spotting. Christ, I think BB could have driven my Roadster up these trails. I've got a video clip I took of the RR driving up a rock that only the Pinz in the group was able to make it up, and that was with street tires. He did ding the air dam though. I'm all for aftermarket shit, but lets give more credit where it is due, to the driver (or spotter). I'd rather be in the back seat of Chucks Rangie in a tough spot, than a Poseurs modified D90 / D1 / D2/ H1 and probably wouldn't spill my beer, either. John F Las Vegas, NV D2 with slight mods (OME HD, CDL, Diff lock, etc) | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
Thats not fair for arguing John.. Everyone knows that Bill has alien lifeform levitation and illusion powers... His miracles have been spotted by many.. He could get a stock Audi TT to drive across the crack unscathed and on the first try. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2310 Registered: 04-2002 |
assuming he doesn't crush his head in a highlift first  | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2311 Registered: 04-2002 |
allright, allright now before everyone jumps on me that was a joke... I'm assuming there is no load on the jack though it would make for a great 'what not to do example' if there was. | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 261 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey shuman, maybe i'm confused about something, can you tell me what makes a land rover a "Land Rover" in your mind? just the name? | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 92 Registered: 02-2002 |
"By the way, I take up your challenge and expect to see you in Sunny Queensland as soon as the bridge between Australia and the US is built. " Who needs a bridge when you have a snorkel? If I had the time, I would drive my rig right over that Great Barrier Reef of yours. schtick 1. A characteristic attribute, talent, or trait that is helpful in securing recognition or attention: waiters in tropical attire are part of the restaurant's shtick. 2. An entertainment routine or gimmick. | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 20 Registered: 03-2003 |
Neil, If you had a RR '03 you could drive there without a snorkel. I hear they put H2O converters on on the breathers. It's an option package only. You have to get it with the water tight door seal package. Why can they make doors that are water tight to the crush depth for a Range Rover, but I can't keep my Disco's sun roof from leaking? | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 175 Registered: 02-2003 |
or my D-90 | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 93 Registered: 02-2002 |
"A body engineer from Land Rover goes on an exchange visit to Toyota in Japan and watches the engineers developing the latest Land Cruiser bodyshell. He notices that on the workbench they have a cat in a small cage and he asks what it's for. The Japanese engineer tells him when they have finished a Land Cruiser they lock a cat in it and go home. If the cat is dead when they return in the morning they know the shutlines on the doors are up to their high standards. The LR guy likes this idea and when he gets back to Solihull he takes a cat to work and locks it in a Defender and goes home for the night. When he returns in the morning the cat is gone. " I love that one. | ||||||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Bill, the leaking sun roof has to do with having straight axles. By adding IFS to your truck you will be able to stop the leak! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 117 Registered: 09-2002 |
Okay I think I have determined that Kyle, Richard and John have the most badass rovers in the world, they know it all and have more experience then anyone on this board, dont argue a point or they will call you a dumb fucking shit...John, you seem the be the moron as you dont know shit about anything beyond your own truck, here is an idea, go look at the RR, Im not sure how it works but the RR somehow seals the intake when hit with water and can run for 15 or 20 seconds without fresh air. But you probably wouldnt be able to fix this off road so you should steer away from it. To you guys who tried to give some insight on the H1 and how compentent it was, thanks!! I agree but you are obviously wrong, didnt you read John, Kyle and Richards posts, all IFS sucks, if its not on their trucks it sucks ass. (see sarcasm) Oh and John, in regards to me cutting my own trails..maybe you should look up what off-roading actually is..it is defined as "off-road" a trail is a road, and sometimes there isnt a trail to where you need to be, but you probably wouldnt understand that because it appears that your definition of 4 wheeling is going nowhere and just showing how much articulation you have on some big rock. Guess how the need for off-raod vehicles started?? someone needed to be where there was no trail!!! So tell me John, being the rabid enviromentalist that you are, do you have a lot of Peta members in your off-road group too?? For me I buy my trucks and modify them to get me where I need to be. Not to show around town and occasionally go where everyone else has been. I'll keep this up with you for as long as you would like. All I have to say is that this thread was not a pissing match as to who has the most bad ass truck..All I was saying is dont judge the new disco until you have seen it and driven it, in person.... | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 118 Registered: 09-2002 |
oh and John, nice pics...a bone stock RR against your heavily modified Discos, good comparison, but I guess whatever you need to make your truck look better, you should take some shots of you and kyle going head to head against a stock freelander, your truck would really appear to be bad ass.... | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1486 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh Boy, Mr. Matt up there had to run his lips: I have driven the H1 all over..... Europe, Bosnia, Kuwait, and you have to be pretty stupid to get one stuck. Interesting. Bosina had dirt roads, Kuwait had sand and dirt roads, and Europe is paved like the US. Well Matt, don't forget that by the time you Army guys get there, the Marines had already paved the way for you. | ||||||
| David Morin (Sporin) New Member Username: Sporin Post Number: 34 Registered: 02-2003 |
Corey, While I concur on your general "wait & see" idea, you are dead wrong on Kyle. He's got a truly bad-ass Discovery, and he knows how to use it with extreme prejudice. While newer IFS trucks with sophisticated traction controls (RR, Toureg, 4Runner) are very impressive in some situations, these trucks lack the strength and simplicity to be SERIOUS rockcrawlers. At least without doing a LOT of damage to themselves. I think that if the new Discovery is watered-down, there is no shortage of older Discos to keep us all happy for decades. The sky is not falling. Also, if it sells enough, and makes enough money for LR to bring us the next Defender, it will have served a purpose. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 39 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, I knew you would come back for more. You stupid fucks always come back for more, even when your position is untenable. Somehow you think the rest of the world is as dumb as you are and will believe you when you keep on spouting untenable positions and bullshit stories. You seem to think that if you have the last word or if you post a lot, that will be sufficient to make your position the correct one. Well, it's not. "Okay I think I have determined that Kyle, Richard and John have the most badass rovers in the world, they know it all and have more experience then anyone on this board, dont argue a point or they will call you a dumb fucking shit..." Well, that's a typical answer from a stupid fuck like you. What you do is actually very common. You disagree with someone's position, and so you exaggerate that person's position to the point of absurdity to make your position more credible. It's a chickenshit thing to do and losers like you almost invariably do it because you have nothing else to go on. Kyle, Richard, and I never said we have the most badass Rovers in the world. We leave that for morons like you. Here are your words: "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true." I'm not doing what you like to do and exaggerate others positions. Those are your words from your chickenshit mouth. Also, you can argue any point you like. Just because you disagree with us doesn't make you a dumb shit. You are a dumb shit because you take absurd positions. "Oh and John, in regards to me cutting my own trails..maybe you should look up what off-roading actually is..it is defined as "off-road" a trail is a road, and sometimes there isnt a trail to where you need to be, but you probably wouldnt understand that because it appears that your definition of 4 wheeling is going nowhere and just showing how much articulation you have on some big rock." Oh, that was brilliant. I think you have me confused with another vendor. And yes, a trail is indeed a road. "Off-road" is the common parlance to describe our hobby, but just because it is common does not mean it is accurate. "Off-highway" is becoming more and more common because it more accurately describes proper fourwheeling. You can venture off the highway but you are never supposed to venture off the trail you stupid mother fucker. I know you know this. You're just taking another absurd position because you're as stubborn as you are stupid. That's what makes me so pissed off at you. It's not as if you're just new to fourwheeling and ignorant. You know enough. You're just a fucking asshole and won't admit that you're wrong because it would mean that I'm right and I can't be right because I called you a dumb ass and a loser. You know enough that you should know better, but rather than admit that your stories about blazing your new trails and crossing ravines with bridging ladders (which, incidentally, are more bullshit stories from you) were wrongful conduct, you now take the position that such conduct was proper. Here's your position: "Guess how the need for off-raod vehicles started?? someone needed to be where there was no trail!!!" You're such a fucking asshole. So just because someone once cut a trail that makes it all right for you to do the same? No, that's not all right. As I said before, it's assholes like you that give fourwheeling a bad name. And it's assholes like you that get environmentalists against us. And it's assholes like you that get trails closed. (All of this is assuming your statements about your trail blazing are true, which I highly doubt.) "So tell me John, being the rabid enviromentalist that you are, do you have a lot of Peta members in your off-road group too??" What the hell is this? Is this your idea of some kind of dig? Is this and sarcasm and exaggerating others statements all you have you pathetic piece of shit? "For me I buy my trucks and modify them to get me where I need to be. Not to show around town and occasionally go where everyone else has been." This is another meaningless statement from you. Just where do you need to be? "oh and John, nice pics...a bone stock RR against your heavily modified Discos, good comparison, but I guess whatever you need to make your truck look better, you should take some shots of you and kyle going head to head against a stock freelander, your truck would really appear to be bad ass...." Look you stupid fuck. I showed pics of a stock Rangie eating shit on a dirt road for a reason. Why? You know why but because you're feigning ignorance so I'll tell you anyway. I never claimed it's a fair comparison between a stocker Rangie and other modded Rovers. That would be absurd. I showed pics of a stocker Rangie eating shit on a dirt road because you claimed a stocker Rangie could smoke Kyle's truck and 90% of the trucks on this board. Again, here are your words: "Kyle, the new rangie would spank you disco as well I would assume, it is far more competent offroad, than 90% of the trucks out there, sorry but its true." That's the only reason I showed that Rangie eating shit on a dirt road. I think that's a fair response to your statement that a stock Rangie could smoke Kyle's truck and 90% of the trucks on this board. Of course, you know this. But you're such a fucking asshole you won't admit this and you try to frame my posting those pics as some sort of chickenshit way for me to feel better about my D90. No, I wasn't trying to do that. I leave that for chickenshit assholes like you with nothing better in their lives. I'm not the one who claims he boldly goes where no man has gone before. And I'm not the one who refers to himself as "One Bad Rover". | ||||||
| Chu Y. Son (Cyson) New Member Username: Cyson Post Number: 27 Registered: 01-2003 |
So, we've concluded that the new rangie is not as trailworthy as some of these modded discos. Maybe it's just me, but I'll still take the Rangie. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 176 Registered: 02-2003 |
I feel this is appropiate and why has it not been posted yet.  | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 177 Registered: 02-2003 |
I feel this is appropiate and why has it not been posted yet? not directed to the members that can clearly see that the new RR is no where near its 4x4 heritage as the other members trucks. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 8 Registered: 02-2003 |
John, I'm confused. What do you really think about Corey? Thanks for the post, its helping me through a bad day at work. Now where the hell are my shocks? cheers | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Owning a Disco........<or= $40,000 Surfing the web.......$30/month posting on Discoweb...free Being entertained by Corey Shuman, John Lee, Kyle Van Tassel etal.......PRICELESS! STOP IT YOU GUYS, I'M GONNA GET FIRED IF I STAY ON HERE TO READ WHAT HAPPENS NEXT! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 120 Registered: 09-2002 |
okay, Im going to drop it here...I tried to read Johns post but I kept getting stuck at "f#ck", "@sshole" and "d!psh!t" (that was for you Mike..:D so John, you win, I am not nearly the man, the 4 wheeler or the bad-ass that you are, you are right on all points. Good Job and thanks for showing me where I was wrong. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) New Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 40 Registered: 03-2003 |
Corey, you're still as big an asshole liar as you ever were. I've seen your Loser type many times before and if you had anything to come back with, you would. But you don't. So you come up with yet another lie about how you're too tired to read my post, even though everyone here knows you did read my previous post in its entirety. You even contemplated responding to my post with more meaningless statements and lies but given my last post you thought it better to fall back on your position of more sarcasm. That's all you have left, and so that's what you come back with. Your last post is basically "Tap tap no flashies." So typical of the Loser. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 14 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehe... "the cat was gone" ... heheh Reminds me of when I took my virgin truck to the dealer about a week after I got it cause my wife was complaining about wind noise.. he opened the door, put his knee up to it and heaved with all his weight on the top of the door frame bending to towards him... It worked!!... from that day on, I knew how to fix my truck... | ||||||
| Jorge D. Hinojos (Tenoch) New Member Username: Tenoch Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
Come on guys..let us be good sports and continue enjoying our website. Instead of criticizing each other, we should enjoy the one thing we all have in common....we love land rovers!!! and Regardless what happens in the future, every land rover should be unique on its own way. I admit that I learned some things from the posts above. Words from a beginer off-roader | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 27 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, as hilarious as this is....cool down Mr. Metro...I think everyone has formulated an opinion on this topic and thanks to you guys, have been able to contemplate the new Disco in it's entirety. I think 'ol Corey has taken his licks....He can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover....C,mon man, Rove on! | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 28 Registered: 03-2003 |
John, as hilarious as this is....cool down Mr. Metro...I think everyone has formulated an opinion on this topic and thanks to you guys, have been able to contemplate the new Disco in it's entirety. I think 'ol Corey has taken his licks....He can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover....C,mon man, Rove on! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 121 Registered: 09-2002 |
(yknow, I tried to drop this...I even apologized for getting a little hot headed before) Its not licks Im taking..John is a moron, he isnt smart enough to understand sarcasm, and too beligerant to understand anything else. John is like every other bad ass on the internet that talks all sorts of smack from behind his monitor. It reminds me of a guy who once offered to fly out here to SLC to kick my ass if he only had my address, well I gave it to him and guess what he never showed.....surprise, surprise. Oh and John, if you want my address feel free to ask too...you have the mentality of a junior high student, and I would be willing to wager you have the income to match it. Should you ever make it to Utah or if you are in Utah now LMK, I would love to arrange a meeting with you. bitch. | ||||||
| Alan Yim (Alan) Senior Member Username: Alan Post Number: 427 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hehe...too bad we don't still do jousting... | ||||||
| Kai Dussling (Kai) Member Username: Kai Post Number: 66 Registered: 06-2002 |
Back to the original thread........ One of the biggest "what where you thinking" design stories that come to mind is the Ford Mustang. Does everyone remember that POS model they came out with in the late 70'S. Have you seen the new one? Maybe LR is doing the same thing. One step backwards (insert 2005 disco), two steps forward (insert 2018 disco, series 17 or something like that). I can't wait!!!!!! | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 238 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh but I aint done Corey , dumb ass...... Just eating dinner... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 239 Registered: 11-2002 |
OK Corey , since you really have nothing to say other then the personal BS that we have all seen so many many times here (ussually followed by the spelling and punctuation bullshit). I will attempt to get you to break it down for Me and John , I mean , since we are basically clueless. Break this shit down for us uneducated , inexperienced bastards about the mystery that is IFS and ETC. Tell us how having 8 (Yes , fucking 8!) weak CV joints is better then having just two. Tell us how its better that when one of these fucking 8 decides to take a shit to limp home on the magical ETC ? Tell us how much easier it will be to field service the broken hunk of shit once the inevitable has happened ? Tell us how it will still be so easy to modify (this thing you brought up)the new system like Land Rovers have been modified since forever. Tell us why its not a bad thing that castor AND camber is now fucked when you lift it. Tell us why its not a bad thing that you will have to buy upper and lower control arms with healthy lifts to keep the camber in line ? Tell us why its a good thing that inexpencive , very affective mods are a thing of the past in these new trucks ? I dont want to hear this Bullshit about it still being a land rover blah blah blah. Its not. All of you at one time or another has bashed another car maker for implementing the exact systems that are now showing up on these trucks. Its EXTREMELY hypocritical to now say its the cats ass just because Land Rover put it in a truck. Rovers have changed somewhat over the years and different models have come out. There is rivalry and model loyalty among the different owners but atleast we all knew one thing. And that was that even when the outter skin changed. The shit that really mattered was all the same. It was all the same for a reason.... Now please educate us Corey ,,,,,,,,,OR,,,,,simply shut the fuck up... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey exactly how can you display sarcasm on the internet? | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 720 Registered: 09-2002 |
Hehe...this is a fun one | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 41 Registered: 03-2003 |
Oh man, the Loser is back. First he says he can go at this all day. Then he says he's going to drop it. Then he says he's back for more. Just like all lousy liars, his story keeps on changing. Some of you guys still think this guy deserves sympathy? I don't. He's a lying scumbag. He was lying then and he's still lying. Just like all liars. And he's so pathetic he's not even a good liar; he can't even stick to his story. It keeps changing with every post. "(yknow, I tried to drop this...I even apologized for getting a little hot headed before)" You call that an apology? Your last post was some chickenshit sarcasm. This is your idea of an apology?: "so John, you win, I am not nearly the man, the 4 wheeler or the bad-ass that you are, you are right on all points. Good Job and thanks for showing me where I was wrong." This is not an apology in any sense of the word. Rather, it's a childish way of saying "I'm still right and you're still wrong." It's little different from the bums on the street who tell you "God bless you Sir" when you tell them to get lost. The bums use that because that's all they have. Similarly, that's all you had left and so that's what you used. "Its not licks Im taking..John is a moron, he isnt smart enough to understand sarcasm, and too beligerant to understand anything else." No, it's licks you're taking. The only one who agrees with you is yourself. And "beligerant"? Who's the moron. If you're going to try to use big words to sound important, at least spell them correctly. "John is like every other bad ass on the internet that talks all sorts of smack from behind his monitor. It reminds me of a guy who once offered to fly out here to SLC to kick my ass if he only had my address, well I gave it to him and guess what he never showed.....surprise, surprise. Oh and John, if you want my address feel free to ask too..." Wow, that's really intimidating. So now that you've lost the debate on which vehicle is the more trail capable, and you realize your argument was a lost cause, now you shift the argument to "I'll kick your ass"? This is just as pathetic as your last argument. You say I remind you of that other guy. When did I ever ask for your address and threaten to come and see you? Anyone with half a brain knows that is about as credible as "I'll be placing an order with you very soon for sure." It doesn't mean anything real and if it means anything at all, it means the exact opposite of the statement. If I were ever inclined to do damage to you, I certainly wouldn't call you "bitch" and announce my intentions to the world. I would simply act and you wouldn't even know what hit you. We can try this in reverse if you like. I don't know your address but you certainly know mine. It's posted for all the world to see. "you have the mentality of a junior high student, and I would be willing to wager you have the income to match it." Wow, more brilliance from the liar so stupid he can't even stick to his story. This is pathetic. You're really running out of stuff, aren't you? Moron? Bitch? Junior high school income? What other brilliance is forthcoming in your next post? Did you fuck my mother too? Kyle has asked for some substantive points on your part. I'd be curious to hear your responses, if you're inclined to answer. Or, will this be the time you say you're going to "drop it" once again? Incidentally, I just realized you have a gallery. If the rest of you guys want to see Mr. One Bad Disco and the stuff he's done for "years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines", check out his gallery at: http://www.discoweb.org/coreyshuman/ | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 9 Registered: 02-2003 |
Yes it is. Just what I need to get over rear ending someone today! Kyle, please finish your dinner and get back into the game... | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 240 Registered: 11-2002 |
Oh shit,,,,,lol. Cmon Corey , be the first dumb ass on this site to ever just flat out admit that he is a dumb ass and really shouldnt have said anything. Be a trend setter man... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2002 |
what junior high student actually has a job I am wondering. I think Corey you are the one who is acting childish, the whole "you want my address?" part. Come on how old are you seriously, that is stupid, get a life! Kyle you are right, just admit you are a shmuck and wrong. Marcel | ||||||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2003 |
how come nobody mentioned anything about this... "here is an idea, go look at the RR, Im not sure how it works but the RR somehow seals the intake when hit with water and can run for 15 or 20 seconds without fresh air. But you probably wouldnt be able to fix this off road so you should steer away from it." > > > > > there's a strange weather event we have in the east called "RAIN"...what a fucking moron...but this is very humorous... Frank | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 721 Registered: 09-2002 |
I saw that too...but I don't think anyone thought that was even worth comment. | ||||||
| Frank Rafka (Mongosd2) New Member Username: Mongosd2 Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
yeah, but I had to say something... | ||||||
| John E. King, Jr. (Cadet007) New Member Username: Cadet007 Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
Whew...this isn't Discoweb....this is Jerry Springer! Hey, fellas, nobody screwed anybody's mom or sister so lets move on to something else. | ||||||
| joshua Frances (Joshua) Member Username: Joshua Post Number: 188 Registered: 10-2002 |
I was looking at his pictures, and there is one (1) picture where the rack has some stuff on it. ( and there is another with a small junior highschool looking girl running by too, can you say scetchy?) is it me, or does he have a rescue can ( orange lifeguard thingy from baywatch they run with on the beach) on his roof. im just curious if anyone else caught that. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 15 Registered: 04-2003 |
hehehe, this is pretty funny.. why doesnt Corey explain the pics in his gallery.. is the red disco his? did he roll it..? looks pretty flat in the picture of it rolled.. howd you manage that.. Also it appears you drove into a clay mud lake bed up to your axles, and had to be pulled out by a cherokee... yeesh, I wouldnt put a picture up of myslef in that situation.. Also, mmm... nice runing boards.. Good thing you kept those on while in that lake bed.. did you have the sense to at least remove the airdamn? oh well, im done whipping on this fool.. If he even bothered to look for 4 minutes at John's public information, he would know damn well who he is, what he used to do for a living, why he stopped, and what he now does... really silly Corey... tsk tsk... | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 263 Registered: 11-2002 |
ha, yea i just noticed that. He is definatly a smart one do drive with all of his lights on in the fog. | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 16 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corey aside... If this is truly the focus and future of Ford / Land Rover, then I had a couple of thoughts.. Maybe these last batch of solid axle rovers will become true classics. Which is cool.. We will have parts for a good 40 years I would think. Huge sourcing available in the UK. Now two of the possibilities from this point are, Land Rover makes a mint from selling these mall cruisers, and thus can have the freedom and money to put out specialist lines again like D90 , 110, and maybe a few new things here in the US.. Old school utility stuff. Other scenario is, Land Rover doesnt sell them , their books go in the shitter, and they lose money like mad... Someone, maybe with the vision, like BMW did, buys them up, and in 5 to 7 years, they come back to the real world of what a Land Rover is... just food for thought... sigh... | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
It is interesting to think that discos could really apreciate in value. Is this seriously a possibiblity or is there no chance? BTW-sweet running boards correy | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 17 Registered: 03-2003 |
Everything Ford touches turns to crap. | ||||||
| Chris Marcel (Gumarcel) Senior Member Username: Gumarcel Post Number: 265 Registered: 11-2002 |
I don't know about that, what about aston martin, that is by no means crap...or how about what they have done for both jaguar and volvo. They just can't help their own line of products. | ||||||
| George Clayton (Offcamber) Member Username: Offcamber Post Number: 95 Registered: 09-2002 |
Coming in 2007....the Land Rover Windstar. The newest in SUV-Minivan cross-overs. Electrics run just long enough to start blowing engines.... | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 42 Registered: 03-2003 |
I'm still shaking my head in disbelief over this one: "If you want to think I cant drive thats fine.. more power to ya, but Id be willing to bet that the high unita ranges- in utah, which is where we were, are as bad if not worse than anything I have seen in Colorado and not to be a dick but I should know, I have been running ghosttown and mine exploration expeditions for years and been in nastier stuff than you could imagine, not just going over a few boulder fields to see if I can but actaully having to cut my own trails over mountain passes and bust out the ladders to make it across ravines... so talk all you like, I know what I have done...." That has to be one of the stupidest things I have read on this board in a very long time, and that's saying a lot. I can't believe One Bad Rover wrote this and expected everyone to shy away from challenging his authoritative opinions on the 05 Disco and 03 Rangie. Seen in light of Corey's Armageddon gallery pics, his statement is even funnier than it was the first time around. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
"Now two of the possibilities from this point are, Land Rover makes a mint from selling these mall cruisers, and thus can have the freedom and money to put out specialist lines again like D90 , 110, and maybe a few new things here in the US.. Old school utility stuff." This doesn't make sense. Do you think they would take all the money they make on one car and then use it to sell another(in large production) at a loss? I pray they don't work that way or they'll be completely out of business. Why, exactly, is it that they don't sell the 110 in the US anymore? I'd assume looking at the current market that it would be profitable (stock vehicles selling over MSRP). SD | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 722 Registered: 09-2002 |
John,...I saw that one and left it alone too, but being from Colo. and buzzing around a few trails, I think that maybe Corey has not seen all the trails availible or perhaps his "imagination" is not real sharp. I think there are a few Colo. Pics in the gallery. Some of them are kind of difficult. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 2 Registered: 04-2003 |
You haven't seen the pictures of Ho getting airlifted out of mud, have you? SD | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 28 Registered: 02-2003 |
As for the Marines paving the way....Please. There are all of 50 thousand Marines on active duty. The Army has that many soldiers on Ft Hood alone. The only reason that the Marines are even involved in this current operation is to justify their existance. We will never do amphibious landing again. It was sort of funny to see the marines driving their landing crafts 300 miles into Iraq. As for the D-90 with the .50MG driving through a door of a palace anyone who is or has been in the military knows that was just a stunt for the reporters. Even a Marine officer is smart enough to not try that under fire. Yes Bosnia has dirt roads and so does Europe. But please if you think I was refering to the H1's great ability on roads then you have never been in one on a road, they are terrible. Any vehicle is prone to dust accumulation in the desert, the H1 has a great filter and if maintained it allows uninterupted operation in a desert environment. The Rangers have D-110 for their gun trucks, yes I know what I am talking about because I have been in them many times. The D-110 is underpowered, the LR TD-3/5 is a weak engine. Honestly the H1 is a fantastic tactical vehicle, it is far better than anything else I have seen and driven...G-Wagon or Defender. As for the LAV yes it is a POS.--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 723 Registered: 09-2002 |
"As for the Marines paving the way....Please. There are all of 50 thousand Marines on active duty. The Army has that many soldiers on Ft Hood alone. The only reason that the Marines are even involved in this current operation is to justify their existance. We will never do amphibious landing again." Matt...........Army Officer.....I'm calling b.s. on you. The reason there are only 50k Marines is because that is all we need. Marines have always done the most with the leaste. Leaste man power, the leaste equpment, ect. They are the most disciplined, most motivated, toughest of all the forces. You sound like a 2nd Lt. with a National Security sitting on your chest thinking you know it all. Take the same # of doggies and the same number of Marines, put them on a single task and see who does it better. | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 257 Registered: 11-2002 |
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| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 10 Registered: 02-2003 |
While nothing to do with Rovers... What a stupid thing to say about the Marines. While there is rivalry, I've never heard the officers I know in the Army utter such nonsense about the Marines. -Never do phib landings again? Look up the Falklands. And please tell all those people who are approving funding the billions of dollars worth of LHD, LSD's and LPD's that you are right and they are wrong. -Unlike the Army, several MEU’s are always within a few days sail of any of the hot spots (claimed 75% of the littorals within 5 days) in the world. That’s a forward deployed BLT of a few thousand troops with armor, artillery and organic air power with 2 weeks of supplies near the action, not stateside. -No digs meant at the army at all, just a different mission. Oh, and get your facts straight. The active duty personnel strength of the USMC has been over 170, 000 since 1950. | ||||||
| Greg Hirst (Gregh) Member Username: Gregh Post Number: 152 Registered: 10-2002 |
Only John has addressed the real lunacy here. The "off-road" traveling promoted by our "friend" here directly affects ALL OF US! I'm sure all of you have run into gates and land closures by the BLM and other entities and it's people like this that cause it! I really couldn't give a rat's ass about his opinions on IFS or how great the 03 RR suspension is. He'll only learn differently when he's stuck 50 miles from nowhere with a nonrepairable snapped axle, a busted air spring, or malfunctioning wet electronics. Be sure to wave as you drive by... | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 64 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Chris What did the USMC do in the Falklands? I was there in San Carlos Bay when the Sir Galahad went down, with all my 109 light guns on it, the LR XD110 and XD90 is a supreme fighting vehicle, and will be just as good as a H1 if not better, but tell me how much does a H1 cost? When LR`s here in the UK probably cost less than £15k I could buy 3 for your 1. I could go on and say that the British know one or two things about fighting wars, God knows we have started enough of them. We do have a lot of shit gear ( radios, boots, Sa80`s) but a LR is NOT one of them. Pete S. | ||||||
| John Elben (John_e) New Member Username: John_e Post Number: 3 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Peter I hadn't realized the Sir Galahad went down in the Falklands - I thought she was badly damaged and then repaired. For some reason I thought the Sir Galahad that was the first aid ship into Umm Qasr a few weeks back was the same and not the next to use the name... (entered service in '88 I now learn from the RN news site) well, well. things one never expected to learn on discoweb... ;-) ps. I'm also looking forward to finding out what the USMC did in the Falklands. Maybe there's a confusion with Grenada...? John | ||||||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 200 Registered: 10-2002 |
If I may, I don't think Chris was talking about U.S. Marines in the Falklands. I believe he was just trying to prove a point on the viability of amphibious operations by Marines, wether they be U.S., or our Royal brethren. John brings up an excellent point with the amphib landings at Grenada as well. As to the comparison of Defenders and HMMWV's, while the HMMWV is a fairly fine vehicle in the desert, it's a POS in a non-trail wooded environ. Finally, given the original arguement, I offer this: What if Land Rover were to do what Toyota does with the Land Cruiser and HiLux/4Runner in many markets, offer IFS to the masses and straight-axle to those who are willing to pay for it? -Todd | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 65 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Todd What will happen is that LR will have to update the Defender,there will be distinctly different types, there will be a strictly utility version, vinyl seats and all, this will be aimed at the military and agricultural markets, this will have to be simple with things like beam axles and be able to be chucked out of the back of a C130 etc, we squaddies never needed airbags! we just watched out for bullets! Then there will have to be a SUV version, LR cannot ignore the majority of there customers, and yes this hurts me, but how many people go off road? 10% perhaps, even Volvo makes a SUV now! Ford is in this business for MONEY, and people complained when the first RR made them seasick. I think the new RR is for ultra wealthy wannabee off roaders ( or fat farmers) and in all honesty it would be pretty poor at anything really severe, and besides would anyone want to trash nearly £60-80k`s worth of car? This is what really holds us back and why the defender is so good, scratches and the odd scar are worn with a certain pride, you just look like a pillock with a big rip down the side of a 03 RR. I say forget off roading a RR, pointless, enjoy what you have in your D1`s. I will know that I will always be able to keep it going, I can still get parts for a 1948 S1, so While LR & Ford chase the silly money, I will be happy in my much used but loved D1. Oh and please live and let live, in Eire on holiday with my R1100GS I was bombing down a dirt track which I considered rough, only to be overtaken by a fool in a toyota celica, maybe that is the ultimate off roader, a hire car. take care Pete S. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 66 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi all Just a thought, if it wasn`t for your over protective superiors, the World would not need airbags, we have survived here for years with just seat belts. Maybe your bitching about not getting real land rovers is slightly your own fault. Best of luck Pete S. | ||||||
| Todd W. McLain (Ganryu) Member Username: Ganryu Post Number: 201 Registered: 10-2002 |
Pete, I'll agree with you, Ford is in it for the money. What other reason is there for being in buisness? I was just wpsoing a what if, like, What if they listened to the hard-core wheelers out there? Using Toyota as an example again: Toyota makes there own version of a true off-roader in the 70 series trucks. The guys in the states may not know much about them, but, I would put one up against a Defender any day. Anyways, my point is that Toyota has a winning design with it and hasn't changed much since it was introduced in 84. But this truck isn't really designed for the masses, it's more for the true off-road outdoor types that know what they need/want. Then Toyota makes the 80/90/100/4runner types for the masses, all with IFS. However, if you don't want IFS and want to pony up the money, they will be more than happy to sell you a straight axle, lockers, just about anything. That way the 10% who truelly want it can have it, and the other 90% can have their mall-crawlers. Now, wouldn't it be nice for Land Rover to just give us that option? Fine, put the IFS/no-CDL trucks in the showroom, but, if somebody comes in the door wanting straight-axle and CDL, they can have it. Does it not make more sense to give all the customers what they want. Also, I'm pretty sure that anybody out looking for a new LR, given the option of getting what he/she specifically wanted in the truck, would be more than happy to wait a few months to be delivered. On a personal note, I had one of my Land Cruiser's into the dealership a couple of weeks ago to have the turbo looked at and was taking a look at the new 100's that they had. While flipping through the brochures, I noticed that the dealership was also selling things like lifted springs, mud tires, and the like as dealer options. Now to me, that's service .... get a new truck, setup the way you truelly want it, straight out of the dealer. -Todd | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 69 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Todd I think you may have misunderstood me, I think we are both saying the same thing. LR will have to make a "real" LR for the military, the question will be will this be available to anyone? certainly farmers and foresters need them to be simple, so I would guess they will still be available but made to order through someone like LRSV. This kind of works at the moment, when the new TD5 came out, the Third World cried, how can we fix this thing without a computer? LR had to continue to make vehicles for export with the 300Tdi, not sure if this has stopped now that LR have sold the engine to the Brazilians. But yes the British Army is just too big a customer to ignore. Who knows, lets wait and see what happens, I will still have my D1 so it doesn`t bother me that much. Pete S. | ||||||
| John Moore (Jmoore) Senior Member Username: Jmoore Post Number: 597 Registered: 10-2002 |
God I love a John Lee thread! Shaddup all you newbies complaining about the banter! Who said this site was a love fest... | ||||||
| thom mathie (Muskyman) Senior Member Username: Muskyman Post Number: 258 Registered: 11-2002 |
well its not really a "JOHN LEE" thread yet....I have yet to see a incorrectly used racial comment. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 11 Registered: 02-2003 |
Sorry if I didn’t make it clear, of course I wasn’t implying that the USMC was involved in the Falklands, I was simply providing an example where, in the modern age, we have had a significant amphib landing. FYI, we are seeing a "new" Sir Galahad in the news. The previous ship to bear the name was damaged off Fitzroy Cove during the Falklands and subsequently scuttled by torpedo. I think Todd makes a great point. If they are not going to bring back the Defender, why not make a stripped more off road capable version of the Disco available? Not sure how that would play if the current Disco was IFS, but right now, look at how well the Rubicon is being promoted and do something similar. Would the few units that went this way really harm the upscale image that they seem to be going towards? Personally would love to buy a basic (less things to break) Disco with built in lockers, better axels and a bit more clearance. While perhaps not the penultimate rig that some on the board currently have, it would definitely fill in a gap. Alternatively, like some have previously mentioned, maybe the new disco will be a big seller (just not to people like us) and that a relatively basic and inexpensive Defender is brought back into the US market to plug the gap. Just my 2 cents. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 71 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Chris Thanks for clearing up the Falklands thing. What you`re asking just will not happen for you. The States is a really hard place for a foreign manufacturer to sell in. what you want is a basic defender, but you cannot fit airbags in a current defender, this would need to be designed in from the drawing board stage, this is why LR pulled the plug on defender sales in the states in the first place. Your best hope of a simple LR is I am afraid to wait 20 years or whatever it is and import a used Ex MOD 300Tdi XD90. Then go about your lockers lights and winches. I can never see LR making a basic off roader for the States, it is such a litigious society, one bad crash and it ends up like firestone tyres, This is why current 4WD`s are turning into soft roaders. Go figure Pete S. | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 814 Registered: 08-2002 |
Well, it's good to be home again! | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 724 Registered: 09-2002 |
I have a feeling that Matt Williams will now be quite. He seems to be upset at the Marines. I wonder if a Marine took his girl friend. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 12 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, Ouch! Twist the knife in the guys back will ya! | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 122 Registered: 09-2002 |
Kyle, John and Richard.... Knock on my truck all you want..have a party, I didnt build it to please you...is the red one rolled, yup, sure is, do you have a point?? as for the mud, yup, I was stuck, brand new, street tires, and I got stuck, and jeep tried to pull me out...and in the end it was a big fat chev that managed to get us out...is there another point here--or wait, maybe you have never pulled a dumbass manuver...thats it... As to what John does, he resells parts. cool. what he used to do, I dont care.. Orange thingy on the roof, its called a grill2go. Go camping and you may eventually need one. Kyle and John you guys are idiots.. Richard, Im not for sure, he seems to have some intelligence although that being said I cant imagine for the life of me why he is backing you too...however..I can sum up all of your responses in one line.. Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood. oh and Chris..maybe you dont have any mountain passes where you live but when there are logging trucks on the roads and you have about 50 ft of visiblity, and lots of sharp corners..well, you put as many lights on as possible so you can be seen before you are hit... and as for the trails out here...well, if you dont like what I do then go hug a tree, the ones that are making the problems are the atv riders that are trashing trails etc.. dont expect that you would know this as all you have the california trails that are maintained etc...oh, and occasionally a run up the lionsback in Moab. way to go.... Bill over at GB rovers can attest to what the real trails out here are like, and what the treehugger issues are. So I'll keep responding to you as long as you want to keep posting. And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away. John..I still think youre a bitch. and an uneducated one at that.have a great day!! | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 71 Registered: 04-2003 |
Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood. I think I like Corky even better than supercharger boy. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 241 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey (AKA Moron) , you forget to answer my questions ? I thought you were going to school me ? I will take the ass whipping by the way.... Either is fine.... Or,,,,,,,just shutup.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| M. K. Watson (Lrover94) Senior Member Username: Lrover94 Post Number: 751 Registered: 02-2002 |
wow, what have i been missing. about a mile up on this thread i read the alleged advantages of IFS/IRS one mention that the miltary used it extensivley. this is very true, however, it is expensive to maintain (that is not now nor has it really ever been an issue in miltary design) it leaves little for customizing and in the miltary use in the heat of, lets call it passion and the damn thing breaks, they leave on the side of the road. a place i have seen many IFS vehicle sitting. yes change can be good, but the design of the new LR is too FORD for my taste so to excerise my "1ST admendment right of free speech", the new Disco is POS. mike w i know i know that only applies to Goverment infrigement but in todays climate of throwing meaningless garble about i need to let some fly. | ||||||
| David Marchand (Dmarchand) Member Username: Dmarchand Post Number: 125 Registered: 09-2002 |
Blue, is the following Supercharger boy reincarnated? http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=33741&item=241 2059660&rd=1 | ||||||
| traveltoad (Traveltoad) New Member Username: Traveltoad Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
Horay!!!! The Bad_Ass_Rover_boy is back!!! Now, where's John? | ||||||
| Jay Allen (Ironchefsea) New Member Username: Ironchefsea Post Number: 7 Registered: 02-2003 |
This should be a good one | ||||||
| Kim S (Roverine) Senior Member Username: Roverine Post Number: 436 Registered: 03-2002 |
This is priceless | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 23 Registered: 03-2003 |
Chris, Whatever you think, but look at the Jag/Taurus(YUCK!) All Ford will do is rob technology from Rover, neuter the vehicles, and make them as common as the Explorer. I can tell you for a fact, customer service and reliabilty from dealer service has gone to an all time low since Ford took over. My old Series is looking better everyday. | ||||||
| Steve Cooper (Scrover) Senior Member Username: Scrover Post Number: 302 Registered: 09-2002 |
"As to what John does, he resells parts" Manny, Ho and John, that has a certain ring to it | ||||||
| Lawrence Tilly (L_tilly) Member Username: L_tilly Post Number: 139 Registered: 02-2002 |
Everyone has opinions...mine's no better than anyone elses, but I'm going to throw a few of them into the mix anyway. I'm mostly speaking to the issues the updates to the Rovers (I'll leave personalities out of it for now...) A "classic" Disco & RR really are fantastic for what they do. They offer a well-balanced compromise between comfort and capability. When I got my D1 I went with as basic of a model as I could find (cloth seats, no sunroof, etc). This still got me dual climate control, decent sound system, very comfortable ride, full height back seats...in other words a great daily driver (I put 350+ miles / week). At the same time, it has proven itself as a very capable off-road vehicle during my outings with our local Rover club. I've done some very minor mods (OME HD, bumper chop, slightly more agressive rubber) to help a little, but overall it is very capable as-is for what we have here in NE. During this time period, these were still designed to be what I call Expedition-class vehicles. They assume that some people were using them to get into BFE and would want to come out the other end. It wasn't their primary market and definetly not their money-maker, but they still keep that in mind when they built these. Shit happens and things break and if it nails you 40 miles from the nearest pavement all the advanced options under the sun won't help you get home if you can't fix it with what you carry with you. People complain (rightly so) about the under-powered V8 in these, but it's REAL easy to work on and there's plenty of room under the hood to do it. I know people with newer domestic trucks that can't even change their own oil or plugs because of how the compartments are so tight. Sure it's not as easy to work on as (from what I'm told) a Series 2.25, or a 300TDi, but it's better than most alternatives. Likewise, a coil-spring suspension is easy and cheap to upgrade and repair. My wife complains about the roughness when driving the roads with frost-heaves, but loves the way it does what it's supposed to do when she's driving it up a rocky washout on the way up a local mountain (for you Colorado residents that's what we New Englanders call "hills"). I have read stories here on DWeb of people that have blown diffs or broke axles deep in the rocks and can limp the truck home or even fix it on the spot and keep going. That combination of comfort, capability and maintainability is what makes these the "best 4x4xfar". As Rover, or Ford, or anyone else "updates" these vehicles they need to keep that focus or the balance will shift. When I attended the LR Driving School in VT we used an '02 Disco with all the goodies. I liked the way it did its job and was impressed with what I could do with the truck. However the fact remains that it's a "smart system" and if that controller goes then you loose all the advantage it gave you. A CDL is a mechanical system that you physically engage and forget. If the suspension is "upgraded" to IFS but a great computer system is used to push the wheels down as needed, how good is that going to work when that computer goes Tango Uniform? How much will it cost to fix it? "New" does not always mean the same as "bad". I like that I have a fuel-injected engine. It starts reliably and runs well even on weird inclines. However, such a change is not as much of a compromise (how many people have lost their FI or their carb for that matter on the trail). Where simplicity and reliablity counts is often where the wheel meets the road (so to speak). The fact of the matter is that over the last few years Rover and now Ford appear to be shifting thier focus more in the direction of the soccer-mom. The balance is going to swing away from the person that requires a highly-reliable, easily maintainable, easily-modifiable expediation-class vehicle. It's their company and they're in it to make money and if they can increase their market share by making the truck drive more car-like they will do it. People will still buy it because it brings with it some of the Rover "mystique", but they do so also because it drives as well as their mini-van. I'm sad to see the changes being made, because I personally like the balance Rover struck in the mid 90s. The future Discos and RRs will probably be very good at what they are designed to do, but I don't think that is going to include long-term, hard working, in the shit driving. As a daily driver with some capable weekend playing, it'll probably equal or surpass your xterra, explorer, etc. That's just not enough for me. Lawrence lnctilly@metrocast.net 96 Disco "Beowulf" NH, USA | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 657 Registered: 09-2002 |
this is the fucking funniest thing i've ever read. Corey, you're marvellous. Please keep it coming. peter | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 189 Registered: 01-2003 |
This tread is a classic, starts as a 2005 disco thread welcomed to last week, turns into a John Lee flame war with a idiot, to a army/marine war with even Britsh army input, to defender envy. Wow this is great. Corey- You should shut the hell up. You act like your the only one that wheels here in Utah. Have you see Kyle and John Lee in the dweb moab video? You could borrow it from me sometime if you don't want to buy it, I live in SLC by the way, we can get some 3-2 beer and maybe you can see that they know what they are talking about. What does the word "dood" mean, I guess I have defiency in the command of the english language, but I don't understand or recognize that word. Kyle has thrown out some great arguements against the RR3, address them if you can, but don't just insult people because you can't win your point. You accused John or having the intellect of a junior high student, read the articulation he uses when he insults you, compare it to your own. Wanting to go out in the school yard and fight after school is quite junior high, but you were the first to try and route a fight. Trying to impress people with you wheeling accomplishments over the internet with out the pictures to back it up is not to credible. Your words; " ... And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away..." isn't that the same as not having real proof (moab video, look at there galleries here on dweb) of your hard core behavior? I know I have no gallery here on Dweb, no digital camera and time to scan the ones I have, but I don't try to impress people by saying I cross ravines or run Lions Back. What do you think hard core is? Have you run lower and upper helldorado, pritchett canyon, or the golden spike? How about in Colorado, independance, carnage canyon? I'm sorry you rolled a truck, but that doesn't mean you know what your talking about or your "hardcore" enought to insult people you haven't even took the time to see if they are bullshitting you or not. If you have a real arguement about a subject argue it, if you don't have anything then let it go. Few LR owners here in Utah actually trail run, every type of wheeler I have run into here in Utah has been really great people to meet and know. They are aware of the gift they get by being allowed to run trails, especially the ones I have met in the Unita's. Relax man, have a beer, go wheeling, just bring a real arguement if you have a real arguement, John Lee is someone who calls bull shit when he sees it, his is right, usually pretty harsh, but he seems to be right. Where did you roll your truck? About 6 weeks ago I scared the shit out of myself on Stanberry Island, cross slope angle was getting pretty high and I had to cross this mud patch, my ass slide and the rear tire hit a rock or something, I thought for sure I was going over, turned down slope and drove it out. I had to stop and catch my breath and change my underware. I can't even imagine what would have been like to roll like what was in your picture. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 28 Registered: 11-2002 |
"All Ford will do is rob technology from Rover, neuter the vehicles, and make them as common as the Explorer." What technology is there to rob? The old pushrod v-8? Certainly could not be the solid axels. If anything BMW could be accused of creating an SUV and stealing what? traction control? ;-) "as common as the Explorer" speaking of exploder, can anybody get a rear shot of a rear ifs explorer, navigator or expedition? Even a shot of a rear ifs mustang will do, I have seen that rear pumpkin and arm combination before, I just cant place it. Corey I am sure Bill @ GBR can tell some stories, but please do not affiliate yourself with him......I am positive he does not "cut" his own trail. John.....The only blazing Corey has EVER seen more than likely came from the pipe he smoked prior to losing all his brain cells. Corey, answer Kyle's questions, I would LOVE to hear your replies. It would CERTIFY your ignorance to the current topic. The most hilarious statement so far is that you honestly believe Kyle's truck is heavily modified. What makes HIS truck HEAVILY modified? Tires? Springs? Rack? Lights? Winch? Snorkel? Is it the Lockers? is that what makes him heavily modified? I REALLY want to know what you qualify as heavily MODIFIED vehicle. Go ahead knock me too....It will preserve your credibility as a certified PU$$Y | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 73 Registered: 04-2003 |
1996 Explorer rear:  | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 74 Registered: 04-2003 |
front:   | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2314 Registered: 04-2002 |
Nice shocks | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 566 Registered: 02-2002 |
Oh no... Blue here not only have pictures of every part, nook and cranny of his Disco...he's got pictures of his wife's explorer too. I can only imagine what else is in that hard drive, or dare I ask.... LOL Glenn | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 29 Registered: 11-2002 |
sorry blue;-) the new(er) explorer, that has rear ifs. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 76 Registered: 04-2003 |
oh. I was confused by your comment "rear ifs" those pics are from my attempt to polish a turd | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 242 Registered: 11-2002 |
Yup , the new Exploder is just like the Birds in the ass end.... I would hope the rover has stronger arms and such on there but I doubt it. They jsut dont care about that market anymore. They care about the "Corey" market , the guys that just want the truck and the image and the "Idea" of it really going somewhere.. We have already seen how well they can sell to them.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 31 Registered: 11-2002 |
"those pics are from my attempt to polish a turd" ROFLMAO still LMAO "They care about the "Corey" market , the guys that just want the truck and the image and the "Idea" of it really going somewhere." As funny as that is...its sooooooo true | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2316 Registered: 04-2002 |
Blue, how do those shocks do on the exploder??? I like them on my disco but wonder how they would do on a more 'limber' vehicle. Just curious. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 43 Registered: 03-2003 |
Sorry for the late reply. Unpacking pallets and packing orders here. I can't believe I'm taking time out of the workday to respond to this loser, but he's clearly shown that he is an asshole as well as a dumbass, so he needs to be responded to. Corey, I read your last post and I must say that it is all your usual meaningless bullshit. I was looking forward to your responses to Kyle's substantive points. I'm sure your points would have been hilarious to read. But of course you had nothing real to say. So instead you fall back on your usual tactic of coming back with meaningless statements. That's all you have and that's all you'll ever have. "I can sum up all of your responses in one line.. Kyle: Dood, blow me, my truck is tuff" That's a very convenient way for you to avoid Kyle's substantive questions to you. You say you can go at this all day. Kyle asks you substantive questions about the 03 Rangie and asks for your response. I and others second Kyle's request. And this is your response. Again, that's all you have in that little brain of yours. You know jack shit about trucks but you do know that if you actually responded it would reveal how little you actually know and would trigger a flood of laughs from all concerned. But you're such a stubborn asshole and can't admit this, so instead you try to belittle Kyle with another chickenshit attempt to frame Kyle's position from "Corey, you don't know what you're talking about" to "I am the king of the world". Kyle never claimed he was tough. Remember, you're the one who first made the claim that a stocker 03 Rangie could kick Kyle's trucks ass on the trail. Kyle never brought that up. You bought it up. But now that you know that position was untenable, you now try to frame it as Kyle bragging about his trail prowess. I said it before and I'll say it again. This is chickenshit and it's a pathetic pattern of conduct on your part. Because you have nothing else to go on, you resort to trying to exaggerating everyone else's positions to try to make them appear absurd. That's all you have. You're such a stupid fuck you can't think of anything else. "Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff John: Fuckity, fuck, fuck,fucker, loser, fucker, loser, fuck, dood." Whatever I said above relating to your response to Kyle goes here. This is all you got? This is it you pathetic loser? Can't you come back with anything real? "well, if you dont like what I do then go hug a tree, the ones that are making the problems are the atv riders that are trashing trails etc.. dont expect that you would know this as all you have the california trails that are maintained etc...oh, and occasionally a run up the lionsback in Moab. way to go.... " You stubborn little prick. So you're going to stick to your position that blazing your own trails was rightful and justified? You fucking asshole. If you ever get a trail closed, you'll deserve whatever comes your way. And all of this for a bullshit story? I doubt you've ever blazed your own trails. From the looks of your gallery, you drive on dirt roads and that's it. But first to lie about blazing your own trails and then sticking to the position that such conduct is justified and rightful is just shameful. You remind me of those assholes rioting during the L.A. Riots. It wasn't enough that they were tossing bricks at people's heads, they were dancing and posing while they were doing it. They weren't even ashamed of their conduct. You dick. You make all fourwheelers look like assholes. And incidentally, it also pisses me off that you blame the ATV's for all the trail damage when you're the one who's purportedly blazing his own trails. Furthermore, do you think the environmentalists will be satisfied if ATV's are outlawed? Get real. You're next after the ATV's are gone. The environmentalists are smart and just taking things one step at a time. And morons like you are helping their cause in several ways. You're just a piece of white trash. And you're a liability to fourwheelers everywhere. "Bill over at GB rovers can attest to what the real trails out here are like, and what the treehugger issues are." Actually, I'm pretty good friends with Bill Davis. Next time I talk with him, I'll try to remember to ask him what he thinks about you (assuming he even remembers who you are). I'm really curious what Bill thinks. "So I'll keep responding to you as long as you want to keep posting." OK. Let's recap here. You're now saying you that you'll keep this up as long as I keep posting. Your story has changed over and over. First you said what you're saying now. Then you said you would drop it. And now you're responding, but with meaningless bullshit. So my request to you is this. If you're inclined to respond (and you're saying that you are but you've lied before so I have no idea if you mean now what you say), please respond to Kyle's substantive questions. I'd dearly love to read your responses, as I'm sure others would as well. Also, if you're going to respond, respond with something real and not your typical meaningless bullshit. Tell why you think what you do. "And as for the rest, my only point is that in the real world you would get your ass kicked for talking the smack you do, but its nice and safe to call someone an asshole and a liar from two states away." This is another meaningless statement. I'm calling you an asshole and a liar because that is what you are. If you think I'm a coward, whatever. Also, you posted previously that you'd post your address if I requested it. Well, I'm requesting it now. No, I'm gonna drop what I'm doing and drive to Utah to fight with you. Get real. I just want to know your address. You posted before you would if I wanted it. I want it. Now follow up on it. Post your address. "John..I still think youre a bitch. and an uneducated one at that.have a great day!!" Yeah, whatever. Have a great day? Bless you Sir. Same shit. You're really saying "Fuck off" but you're such a chickenshit loser you can't say it. This is yet another lie of your chickenshit mouth. Don't you ever say what you mean? And I hate to sound so redundant but I'll say it again. Please respond. But respond with something real. By "real", I mean: (1) Answer Kyle's questions. (2) Post your address. Anything else you come back with is just meaningless bullshit. | ||||||
| Neil Flanagan (Electriceel) Member Username: Electriceel Post Number: 95 Registered: 02-2002 |
I wonder if the headlights of my D1 will fit on the 2003 Explorer... | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 78 Registered: 04-2003 |
Carter, I wouldn't call the Explorer "limber"...look at this IFS axle drop:  We picked this thing up used as a babymobile and it was all over the road at speed, particularly on the highways. I replaced the tired old stock shocks with OME's from EE (just called Ho & dood John to see what was available and they made it happen). After new shocks and a set of Michelins, it's a nice, comfy cruising mobile. My wife wants me to lift it, but I don't even want to go there with this IFS shit. Unless, of course, Corky will impart his wisdom on me and help my dumb ass through it... | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 86 Registered: 04-2003 |
Just ask Corey- He'll know exactly what to do. Just make sure you get a snorkel, because it can't go for 10-15 seconds without fresh air like the new RR. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2317 Registered: 04-2002 |
he he, thats some mad flex there 'Limber' was a bad wording choice, a 'softer' suspension (set up primarily for street performance) is what I really meant I guess. So no "Big O's" for the explorer huh??? | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1342 Registered: 02-2002 |
Guys, is this thread why I'm not getting any responses to my posts asking for real-world experience? We aren't all mall crawling poseurs are we (I know I'm not and have the scratches on my truck to prove it!)? Cut this out and let's get back to technical stuff. I need info on power steering gearbox seal replacement and pulleys that will fit Rover serpentine belts and Saginaw pumps-or Peter will give up on my ever getting the project done and I'll get in even more trouble for the oil spills in the parking lot from my truck. Gotta love those New Pig oil-only sorbents! Yes, Bill, I'm sure you're the only one who got that. I'm off to write an SPCC plan for my truck. Peace, Paul Oh yeah, the injector cleaning was a success, gas mileage increased almost 50%, but it still cranks forever to start and you have to give it some gas. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 79 Registered: 04-2003 |
Actually, the Disco's front flex isn't much better (although opposing force on the opposite side would help via the solid axle). The difference is that I can MAKE the Disco's front flex better. Now I see what you mean about softer suspension...I like em tight, not loose & sloppy. No Big O's for the Ford...just a set of top-of-the-line Michys to go with that big V8. But a snorkel would be cool | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 80 Registered: 04-2003 |
LOL, an SPCC plan for your Rover. Shit, some Rovers need BMP's, APP's, and NPDES permits too. | ||||||
| Carter Simcoe (Carter) Senior Member Username: Carter Post Number: 2318 Registered: 04-2002 |
Yeah sometimes I have a hard time putting my thoughts into the proper wording... This is mostly because I am a mensa with an unusually high IQ, so I am sorry if my complexity confuses you I guess those wheels tuck up further in the wheel wells than I am imagining. Michellin makes great tires, I just hope I can afford some XZLs when my BFGs wear out (8.25s not 9.0s, don't worry ) | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1343 Registered: 02-2002 |
Don't forget the Title V for when you're in open loop mode, and 404 (a) when mudding. I think I can keep it out of OPA though, now to find a PE to certify it. Yesterday, my assistant calls me and tells me that she has received numerous reports of a vehicle leaking a huge amount of a red liquid onto the parking lot and it's my vehicle. Then, she tells ME to go clean it up because of the stormwater implications. Oh, the embarrassment. When I worked for the power company, we had to send out the guards at the nuke plant to look under cars for oil leaks because the parking lot discharges went to Lake Michigan... Peace, Paul Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, Ok, OK...I agree, Ford engineers wouldn't have enough sense to use technology that is virtually bullet-proof, extremely capable, simple and durable for decades. Thus...the neutered vehicles. In case you haven't figured it out, I HATE Ford :-) | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 32 Registered: 11-2002 |
"In case you haven't figured it out, I HATE Ford :-)" Good then we can agree to disagree. But if you tell me you like Chevy than you'll have to give me your address so that I can drive accross the country and beat the Mensa out of you ;-) | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 22 Registered: 04-2003 |
Corey, Im now feeling sorry for you, as you are failing to see that every step you take leads you further and further into the mine field... The response you get is because of the behavior pattern you are following, not because you have an opinion. Everyone on here is allowed an opinion, but however, how they express it and handle the discussion of it when questioned on it counts for the respect you may or may not receive about it. You have a major flaw, you dont stick to the issue, and you personalize with your own character flaws your argument. John has already provided many examples with your flawed argument techniques and I will now point one more out. "Richard: Dood, you suck because, well, because you dont agree with me, and kyles truck is tuff " It is quite clear to anyone reading this thread, that I never said, implied, or inferred anything of the sort. You drive a D1 dont you? Thats whay I drive... so ergo, I would be dissing my own truck, which isnt the case... Do you see how moronic this is? That is why you have incurred the wrath of people like Kyle, and John. My argument with you is simply over the IFS issue, and now your apparent lack of personal communication skills. You dont have to like or respect Kyle or John, but you should respect their knowledge. I dont know Kyle at all, but I have dealt with John a bit through his business, but I do know a bit about them. They should be respected for their knowledge and experience with Land Rovers if nothing else. I dont always agree with them, but if I need information , or people to wheel with , I would wheel with them anyday. So I will end with this advice again... You sow'ed what you reap'ed from "how" you made your point, not because you wanted to make one. I also believe stronly you are not married and dont have a girlfriend. They would NEVER let you pull these bullshit adolescent arguments and would have trained it out of you if you had one. | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1346 Registered: 02-2002 |
I still don't know what's involved with replacing the pinion shaft seal on a power steering pump. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 82 Registered: 04-2003 |
you need a HASP for that, Paul | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1347 Registered: 02-2002 |
HASP? | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 33 Registered: 11-2002 |
yes a HASP! ;-) | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 726 Registered: 09-2002 |
What is a hasp? | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 83 Registered: 04-2003 |
Health and Safety Plan | ||||||
| Derek Reed (Dmr) New Member Username: Dmr Post Number: 24 Registered: 11-2002 |
It tells you not to drop things on your head or drink the brake fluid. One should be required before performing any work on a leaking Rover. It has something to do with one's Health and Safety. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 727 Registered: 09-2002 |
Does it say anything negative about drinking beer and working on the thing? | ||||||
| Paul T Hook (Rovernut) New Member Username: Rovernut Post Number: 26 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, No problem on the agreeing to disagree. Lotsa fun to have lively discussions. My nick is "Rovernut", you figure out which marque I like, HInt, it's not Ford or Chevy. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 34 Registered: 11-2002 |
"HInt, it's not Ford or Chevy" LOL I figured as much.... | ||||||
| todd slater (Toddslater) Senior Member Username: Toddslater Post Number: 275 Registered: 08-2002 |
Paul, With all that "red liquid" leaking from your truck discharging into stormwater which I assume discharges ultimately to Lake Michigan...congratulations you are now a PRP. A 104(e) is on its way to you as we speak !! Remember CERCLA can be fun !Also, while your hunting down that PE to signoff on the SPCC make sure your HASP is written by a CIH. | ||||||
| Mike Pelechaty (Tonga) New Member Username: Tonga Post Number: 29 Registered: 03-2003 |
Where the hell did Corey go? After reading his last post...dood, fuckity, fuck, tuff truck...blah,blah,blah, I take back what I said about Corey 50 posts ago....."he can't be that much of a loser if he owns a Rover". Rather, knowing what I know now, I GUESS LOSERS CAN HAVE ROVERS TOO! I guess you haven't posted in such a long time because you are madly researching for a response to Kyle's questions - because you obviously don't know shit. Compared to who you're argueing with, I don't know shit either but at least I'm not ranting aimlessly about this stuff like a lunatic. I actually gave you the benefit of the doubt until your last post and you're wrong - YOU WERE TAKING YOUR LICKS - you're just too stupid to realize it. You must have an extremely high pain threshold. Do the right thing and slink off into the shadows, lick your wounds and return when you have completed your grade 12. Or...complete your research and blow everybody away with an educated response...really no need to bash anyone when you return either - NO ONE TAKES YOU SERIOUSLY. Okay, take care then..bye, bye. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 29 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, As for the National Defense, yes I have a couple of them ..who cares. Anyone in the military, (any branch) knows that the services poke fun at each other. I know a lot of great guys who are Marines. My grandfather was with the 4th DIV on IWO JIMA. So I have no personal thing against the Marines. As for who is better.. again who cares. Tha Marines are moving into traditional Army missions because the traditional Marine missions are going away. Recently the Marines even gave command of the Forced Recon over to the Special OPS national command authority. This is the first time that the Marines have ever allowed Forced Recon to be lumped in with the other special ops units like the Special Forces, and Seals. The H1 s expensive but cost the US less to buy than Defender.The Army pays about 35K for a H1 the Ranger Battalion pays nearly double that for a defender. -Matt | ||||||
| Christopher Dynak (Adtoolco) Member Username: Adtoolco Post Number: 182 Registered: 08-2002 |
WTFAYTA???? -Chris | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 728 Registered: 09-2002 |
Matt, You probably already figured it out, but I was a Marine, and yes we all did make fun of each other. Interservice rivalry is important. Competition is what makes people better. What caught me off gaurd was that this is not the correct forum for that kind of comment. I have never heard an officer of any branch dig at another service publicly. Missions change all the time and that is one of the reasons Marines are so effective. Because of their relatively small size they are able to cahnge and adapt more efficiently than the other branches. Also, it is not uncommon for sects of the branches to fall temporarily under the command of another branch. A Joint Task Force is an example of this. I was part of JTF160 that operatied in GTMO. I worked directly for a LTCOL in the JAG office. (Marine) who reported to a BGEN (Marine). We had USAF officers, Army officers, Marine officers and Navy officers all working on this operation. When my LTCOL was rotated back to the states he was replaced by a COL (USAF) who reported to the BGEN(Marine)during which time I worked with Army MP who reported to me. Not positive, but the Iraq operation was probably a JTF and all the branches worked with each other on the same mission. Even when I was in (discharged Dec 95) some of the branches were talking about absorbing the Marines. I highly doubt that will ever happen. There will always be a mission for the Marines. Missions will change and so will the Marines. My reaction was stired by your statement on this board and I felt it was inapropriate here. In the bar or the club I would debate you all nite and buy the beer too. And the next night would be your turn to buy. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 72 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Matt Are you on drugs? Tell me that the US government pays $70.000 for a Defender, I will personally ship them over myself. I can buy them at about £15,000 each, I will then sell at £44,000 to the army and make £29,000 each less shipping. Oh for fucks sake get real you fool, in the end you`ve started believing all the shit they told you. Pete S. | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 73 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt I think you are an embarrassment to both youself and to your country, we would never argue like a couple of schoolgirls, and never in a public place, BB or public bar. We go into a ring with gloves on, soon sorts out the wankers. If the US army and marines are so good, how come so many members of the coalition forces, and reporters bought the big ticket, professional, don`t make me laugh, I would give you less than ten minutes on the Lower Falls Road. Pete S. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 30 Registered: 02-2003 |
Brian, you are right, my comment was misplaced on this forum. Anyway..as for Pete S well when your little country provides more than a battalion to the fight then you can make comments like you did. people die in war, it is as simple as that. To say what you did is pretty crappy. If your military was as grand as you make it out to be then why has your great empire been reduced to an insignificant little island off the coast of Europe? I hate to think that all of the members of your military are a arrogant as you. The again maybe that answers my question about the current state of your nation. How is socialism working out for you these days? | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 74 Registered: 02-2003 |
Hi Matt I was merely pointing out that to discuss such things here is a gross breach of your countrys security. And one that would not be tolerated here, this would jeopardize any operation. And as a matter of fact our economy is doing all right, and anyway who needs an empire, we have moved on, pity we cannot all have such a brilliant foreign policy, just like you guys. And as far as troop numbers go, we believe in quality not quantity. Anyway I am bored of this, and want to enjoy my Land Rover, which after all is BRITISH. Take care Matt, and remember who your friends are. Enough said Pete S. | ||||||
| chris sharpe (Bromhead) New Member Username: Bromhead Post Number: 14 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt & Peter, As a dual national (UK/US), I'm pretty embarressed by BOTH of your last posts regarding the professionalism of both countries militaries. Thats total BS and I hope you know it. Clearly the French provide a better target, and this is certainly not the forumn for it. FYI Matt, you seem to alway get your numbers wrong, by a significant factor. The brits sent rougly a division of ground troops. When you include the RAF and navy, thats over 40,000 troops with their buts on the line, far more than the 1,000 you give them credit for. | ||||||
| Patrick Kullenberg (Kullenberg) New Member Username: Kullenberg Post Number: 8 Registered: 10-2002 |
AMEN!! | ||||||
| Richard Dekkard (Richard_dekkard) New Member Username: Richard_dekkard Post Number: 24 Registered: 04-2003 |
This is now the official ARGUING thread... heheheh | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 31 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter, O.K. lets just put this to bed. As Chris said, the French are a better target. The U.S. is lucky to have the british people as friends and now that I look back on it my comments about your "empire" were a little mis-placed. Anyway I am just thankfull that things turned out as they did over in the gulf. We are all lucky that more soldiers did not loose their lives both British and American. As for enjoying my Land Rover well if all those rattles and squeekes would stop it would be so much better. By the way if you have any idea on how to import a 110 for 20 thousand dollars let me know.--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 733 Registered: 09-2002 |
AAAhhh...Matt....You have now discovered the mystery of LR. Squeeks and rattles and leakes. We prefer to call that character. Now you can wonder why you didn't chew your arm off that morning you woke up with a LR, perhaps wishfull oblivian, but now you are here. And, I may be wrong, but damb if you didn't fall in love with that ugly thing. It is too late now. Welcome NewBee. | ||||||
| Dan Armbruster (Dan_armbruster) Member Username: Dan_armbruster Post Number: 90 Registered: 04-2003 |
And we end on a peaceful post.............. | ||||||
| Curtis N (Curtis) Senior Member Username: Curtis Post Number: 454 Registered: 05-2002 |
Wow! What a read! Anyone who puts thier ass on the line is king IMHO. I don't care where they hail from or what branch. However Matt, you need to chill. To place yourself or your comrades above the Brits or Marines is simply foolish and will make you a target worse than the French in any forum...I would hope. Now back to Crokey, Cory, whoever: Andy hit it right on the head. Please stop embarrassing the other folks in Utah. There are actually quite a few and you make us look stupid. High Uintahs? Jeez dude. Please show me one trail up there that a stock Disco, Jeep, or XTerra could not make it through with ease. I have done them all both stock and modified and hesitate to waste my time if it were not for the beutiful screnery. Since most of the High Uintas are protected by wilderness BS, I will personally turn your ass in if I catch you trailblazing there. Don't even test me on this. You may (or may not) be a customer of Bill at GBR. Either way, please do not use his name to try to give yourself merit. Bill runs a first class outfit and would likely not support any of your stances. I do not want to speak for him, but you are out of line by even mentionaing his name as a voucher for your credibility. You should email myself or Andy offline and set a wheeling date. This might help prevent you from saying such screwed-up crap in public. I will be much nicer in person than I am now, but you currently have me agitated so forgive any ill will in my writing. Curtis | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 75 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt I wish I could help get you a Defender, it is a pity and a sentiment shared no doubt by LR themselves! I am sorry if my comments hit you hard, but I feel passionate about our guys fighting where ever that may be. I have long left but the feelings never go away. There are companys that will import an older defender, maybe you fancy coming over and sourcing one, having a holiday, sticking it into a container and picking it up again in NY. I for one will do some footwork and help you, and I`ll even buy you a drink. Great thread though, not sure what half this has to do with a 2005 Disco?!!!!! Take care Pete S | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 245 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey could have pulled out nicely had he just said he was a dumb ass and maybe shouldnt have opened his mouth. I can understand having a hard head but god damn , legs to stand on are priority first.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 301 Registered: 04-2001 |
Kyle and John, How many 03 RRs have you been in? Offroad? How many have you fixed? How many "weak CV joints" have you replaced? Just wondering what you are basing all this wonderful information on? I mean you must be correct with your extensive experience with the vehicle. I want to pick one of the off lease ones in a few years, but if you are so sure they are crap I won't. Ron | ||||||
| Todd Phenneger (Toddp) Member Username: Toddp Post Number: 80 Registered: 10-2002 |
Everyone go buy a bunch of 4.6l D2's. That way there will plenty available in 3 years when I want to get one used. :-) I'd love to buy a new D2 and keep it in Great shape to last me 10+ years. Oh well. Maybe I can buy a 40k mile example in 3 years and be happy. l8r Todd | ||||||
| Alan Greening (Alan_g) New Member Username: Alan_g Post Number: 1 Registered: 04-2003 |
I would rather push my Land Rovers than drive one with a french engine. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 52 Registered: 09-2002 |
Wow, I stopped reading this post at 107 entries, and when I rechecked it today-its only gotten worse! To actually make a comment about the original subject-the 05 Disco is the reason why I hope Richard's 2.8L switch works, so I can follow in his footsteps in the future. Now, on to the real reason I am going to reply: Matt, As an officer of Marines I feel compelled to point a few problems with your postings, I won't tread where the others here have gone as they have done well to point out your blatantly false information, but a few things need to be addressed: 1) The Marine Corps is not moving in on traditional Army missions, if anything the opposite is true-as evident by the move the "lightweight" Brigade concept with your so-called POS LAV (more on that in a minute), as well as the Army's embracing of the maritime prepositioning concept-another idea we came up with that you are now copying b/c it makes sense. 2) The reason why we are in Iraq now is b/c we can get there with a credible fighting force composed of ground combat, logistical, air and C2 assets without breaking the back of our nation's meager shipping infrastructure. 3) The concept of amphibious landings is not dead. To illustrate this with a very modern example lets take Operation Enduring Freedom. The number 72 is important here, in planning for this CENTCOM asked how long it would take the USMC force offshore (and to a limited extent in Pakistan) to get into AF, 72 hours was the qouted response. The army's response was 72 as well, 72 DAYs. Obviously we saw how that went down, we moved inland from amphibious shipping in a manner never before seen in modern warfare. To further discredit your analysis lets look at the first gulf war, the threat of an amphibious landing tied up a number of Iraqi divisions defending the coast while the Army was off on the vaunted "left hook". 4) other comments, in no particular order: The LAV is very good for its intended purpose, its not a tank nor an IFV, but it is a capable platform given its limitations. The UK forces assigned in Iraqi Freedom did an outstanding job of aquitting themselves, as they always do when they are employed-to slight them at all is reprehensible as a proffessional of arms. Be very careful when you lash out at other services, someone with 13 years of service should have done enough Professional Military Education to know the doctrine and military history that our joint services embrace, but as a refresher let me point out that 3 of the most significant advances in military tactics in the 20th century were led by the USMC: 1) Amphibious landing in their modern, effective form; 2) Vertical envelopment; and lastly 3)effective combined arms. Perhaps your input exemplifies why your institution is having such a hard time under the current Sec Def. It is unfortunate as I have a great many friends in the Army-both from college and from a recent resident PME school, and they deserve to be better represented than what is being shown here. r- Ray | ||||||
| R. B. Bailey (Rover50987) Senior Member Username: Rover50987 Post Number: 530 Registered: 07-2002 |
I like the LAV's, they certainly serve their purpose. It is interesting to see that they have really stuck with the larger 8 wheel version (That may be just the Marines though) when for a long while the Army was argueing that they needed the LAV for urban work. Then we see that not only did the S.F. and others use Toyotas and LR's during this conflict and the last, but they started shipping them into our troops after the war began, obviously realizing how important it is to have a small, very mobile, weapons and troop transport in this type of war. For instance, not just anyone can get into a LAV or Bradley and take off down the road with your squad. But with a LR, you don't need special training; it is small and less visible; capable in town and off-road; tough and reliable although not armoured; and versital as far as what you can carry and the modifications you can make to it within a given envelope. If you apply the same principles to the LAV and other vehicles you wont have vehicles trying to do things that they shouldn't, and being really good at what they are intended to do. | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 85 Registered: 04-2003 |
If the US army and marines are so good, how come so many members of the coalition forces, and reporters bought the big ticket - Peter Sharratt You've got a lot of nerve spouting shit like this, you ignorant fuck. | ||||||
| Bill Howell (Billh13) New Member Username: Billh13 Post Number: 25 Registered: 03-2003 |
No!!!!! This can't end!!!!! Corey, you are not going to let everyone have warm fuzzies and just let this die. People are saying nice things about Fords and Jags, the Marines are saying nice things about the Army, the Disco owners are saying nice things about Hummers. We can't have this, say something stupid. I have spent all day reading this. For what....so I could see what babbel would come out. Just one more post for old time sake. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 35 Registered: 11-2002 |
Peter was probably listening to the Dixie Chicks when he posted that Blue | ||||||
| Blue (Blue) Member Username: Blue Post Number: 87 Registered: 04-2003 |
he probably IS a dixie chick | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1357 Registered: 02-2002 |
Bill: This should work. My truck doesn't leak, gets 2 gazillion miles per gallon, I no longer need my viagra prescription and the gaseous emissions from my alimentary tract are pleasant smelling. All because I own a Land Rover. My bank account is empty and my wife left me for a guy driving a Liberty-but the rest is true. That should keep the thread going. Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 662 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron, time will tell how good the CV joints are. Peter | ||||||
| Scott Hayes (Scott_h) Member Username: Scott_h Post Number: 53 Registered: 02-2002 |
After reading an interview with Fords CEO in the WSJ I am afraid the Disco may be headed to the likes of the explorer. It seems that the way they design vehicles now is that they have project engineers that are assigned to each vehicle. They don’t borrow stuff from each other, so they reinvent the wheel quite often. This means it take them about 3 years to come out with a new model. What they are doing to address this is they moved over the former President of Mazda (that Ford owns most of) to run Product development. At Mazda he was able to turn around that branch and allow them to introduce new models in 1.5 to 2 years. Which allowed them to better react to market trends. He also made the engineer’s start working together, using chassis from different models to create multiple vehicles, decreasing costs dramatically. Ford has used other chassis to build some models on before (the excursion was initially built on the pickup chassis) when they had to get a product out quickly. Now they are going to borrow chassis from all product lines and make different vehicles from them. So what’s my point? Well, Im afraid that the Disco will become the explorer, even more so than it is now. Since Ford is bleeding cash, they need to roll out new models quickly and also achieve economies of scale to decrease costs, makes business sense, but doesn’t help our cause much. My .02 Scott H | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 247 Registered: 11-2002 |
Ron ? How many different makes of vehicles have you actually "Worked on" ? How many with CVs? Out of that , how many have you actually fixed and not made worse ? CVs are historically weak and after everything gets all nice and upgraded they are still there breaking. There is an ongoing war against CV breakage in every single model truck that runs them hard. The rover has problems with them right now and they arent run at compound angles. What do you think running them at compound angles is going to do ? You planning on that working out real well ? Lets not talk about the New RaRo like its some new innovative shit. Its just converted to a system that other car makers have been using for years in people movers... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 318 Registered: 04-2001 |
So what you are saying is you have no experience. Bet you have not even seen one up close. I made no claims about anything, just questioning where you get your info and clearly you are basing it on conjecture. I would love to see the insides of one but so far the need has not arisen. I cannot even tell you the size or spline count on the cvs. Ron | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 667 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron, what the heck are you talking about? i don't think there's a whole lot of people wheeling their rovers who had never seen a blown CV joint. And, as Kyle pointed out, the compound angle on a straight-axled rigs is quite a bit smaller than that on an independently suspended rig. Let's see. Chevy trucks have a decent reliability record with their CV joints - but how many of them are running full-time? And a new RaRo weighs just as much as a Tahoe with all the bells and whistles, and may be geared lower. The other grief is the monocoque layout. My old Rangie was rear-ended 3 times, every time reasonably hard. Not a scratch. My brother's JGC was rear-ended twice, on the first time the passengers didn't even feel it - but it made it to the frame machine. It has never been the same since. So, can we expect a new RaRo to be just as reliable and stout as the old junk? Maybe. But you have no experience at that, either. Now, back to the top. What vehicle do you think a new Disco will share parts with? Range Rover? Navigator? Explorer? or XC90? Price-wise, it is headed to the Explorer category. And it may as well share the fate of Jaguar - Ford did make it a better vehicle, overall, but i can't help noticing the Crown Victoria-styled taillights. Personally, I couldn't care less what happens to the Discovery line. There's enough trucks around to keep me and my kids rolling, and they may get outlawed altogether farther down the road. My friendly dealership will spend 40 minutes on an old fart buying himself a Porsche wristwatch and not have 5 minutes to bring me a set of brake pads, so if it disappears from the face of the earth there will only be a small invenience. You may have some vested interest in maintaining some sort of a "vehicular heritage," and that I understand. peter | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 32 Registered: 02-2003 |
Peter, What is service like in England for a Land Rover owner? Over here LR is a premium brand and at least in my experience the dealer service has been very good. What is it like over there? As far as the Disco line goes well, in about 2 years when I am ready to buy again I will do the same thing that I did with my 99 DII. Take advantage of the terrible re-sale value and buy a 03 DIII in 05. Save 20 thousand dollars and be happy with my last disco nefore Ford has a chance to make any changes.--Matt | ||||||
| Peter Sharratt (Gummikuh) Member Username: Gummikuh Post Number: 77 Registered: 02-2003 |
Matt Main Dealer prices are big money here as well, but there are so many independent garages, that this is never really a problem, I am good friends with a Main dealer LR mechanic and get all my parts at a discount price, and I get to borrow any special tools if need be at weekends. Boy I have to say though Matt, did we rattle some cages on this thread or what? And Blue, I am not ignorant, just posting the facts, as an ex serving member of the armed forces, I am more patriotic than most, I would have given anything to be out there with my mates, so rather than just pick out little comments, read it in its entirity, and then comment. I am not anti war nor anti American. Take it easy, before you induce a stomach ulcer! Pete S. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 248 Registered: 11-2002 |
Now here is ole ROn , wading in with Corey. How ironic. Ron , get under many different GMs and Fords and you will be looking at the same damn thing your looking at when you get under that rangie. People mover.... Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Paul T. Schram (Paulschram) Senior Member Username: Paulschram Post Number: 1359 Registered: 02-2002 |
Matt: I'd sure like to know what dealership you're visiting, or, I'd like to share what you've been smoking. I recently visited the nearest dealership to me, to look at a Freelander as a daily driver. After parking my lifted dirty Disco in their lot and walking around and poking beneath the Freebie for more than 20 minutes, I had not even been approached by a salesman, or anyone else for that matter. When I have foolishly asked about service, I had a similar experience. If they don't even want to try to sell another Rover to a current Rover owner I don't know how they expect to sell any more. I suppose they assumed I was so upset by the experience I've had with my current truck that I'd never wish to own another, far less a new one. I'm still driving my trail rig daily. The new CTS caddies are pretty cool looking, maybe their dealers will treat me better. BTW-this time at the LR dealer, I was attired in khakis and a white button-down... Peace, Paul | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 123 Registered: 09-2002 |
While Im not backing off any of my positions I never meant to come off that I had more knowledge than John or anyone for that matter, I think what I got more bent out of shape about was that I was trying to be pretty civil in my disagreements and what I got in response was a whole lot of "you fucking moron", "you fucking loser" etc... so yeah I was pissed, and irritated, I didnt expect to get that kind of treatment even out of a disagreement. I could argue points here back and forth all day but it wont go anywhere. I will still have my point of view and you will still have yours. Im just a bit disappointed that when there is any disagreement it results in immediate personal bashing, at least where John and Kyle are concerned. I will not order anything from Rovertym or EE, ever, and I will be sure to tell anyone I know to do the same. That being said I would like to say that this board is a great place for knowledge and exchange, and its gotten me out of many a tight spot and provided many a day of amusement. Thanks!!--Corey(btw-John- you have mail) | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 251 Registered: 11-2002 |
Corey , I am about to die laughing. Poor Rovertym John.....Another example of your brilliance. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2145 Registered: 02-2002 |
Why the heck do you bring Rovertym into this, Corey? JBS isn't in the middle of this thread, anywhere.... -L | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 252 Registered: 11-2002 |
I think what Poor Corey meant to say was not to buy anything from "Rover solutions". You got that ? DO NOT BUY ANYTHING FROM ROVER SOLUTIONS... I hear the owner is an ass.... atleast he aint a dumb ass , eh Corey ? Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 571 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL... man, if you look at the first post of this thread, it started as a very innocent thread about the article in some website... hehehe... who would've thought Oh yeah, I hear that the owner of Roversolutions don't know shit about off-roading too  Glenn | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 275 Registered: 02-2003 |
rover solutions , do they actually make anything?? rd | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 825 Registered: 08-2002 |
Poor John. He's at home getting over shoulder surgery, and losing orders at the same time. | ||||||
| Glenn Guinto (Glenn) Senior Member Username: Glenn Post Number: 572 Registered: 02-2002 |
LOL... no, I think Rover Solutions is just a poser website with a cool hendrix soundtrack. Glenn | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1499 Registered: 02-2002 |
Matt, in my absence you made a comment: "The Marines are moving into traditional Army missions because the traditional Marine missions are going away." That's a whole lotta crap. The truth is that you guys are slow at getting off your ass. period. When the Commander-in-Chief picks up the horn asking for you to make shit happen, he doesn't want to hear that it's going to take a while to get there. He wants action before he hangs up. Corky, Thanks for bringing some life back into DWEB. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 53 Registered: 09-2002 |
Paul, You'll see that he hasn't quite responded to that retort from either yourself nor I-but at least it gives us the opportunity to push this thread on longer and longer. | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2148 Registered: 02-2002 |
lol.... I had tuned out on this thread and came back in to read it last night; I was really ready to hunt him down after I read what he had said, but after your post, Ray, I didn't see the need to say anything, you said it well. Longer and longer, eh? lol... What was that other thread that hit 300? -L | ||||||
| Greg Davis (Gregdavis) Senior Member Username: Gregdavis Post Number: 828 Registered: 08-2002 |
I think it was the boy scouts. | ||||||
| Paul D. Morgan (V22guy) Senior Member Username: V22guy Post Number: 1500 Registered: 02-2002 |
Well Ray, History doesn't lie. Corky Lies, but not history. | ||||||
| Ray Gerber (Raygerber) Member Username: Raygerber Post Number: 54 Registered: 09-2002 |
Leslie, I did like how he ignored the commentary and carried on-to then talk about great dealer service-which is an automatic flame nomination, I couldn't even respond to that one, my angst with the dealership is too much to publish here. | ||||||
| Andy Thoma (Andythoma) Member Username: Andythoma Post Number: 192 Registered: 01-2003 |
Leslie- I believe you are refering to the h2 thread, imagine this whole thread and no h2 bashing. | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 12 Registered: 04-2003 |
Kyle, I have no experience with the 03 RR and know next to nothing about them. Ron asked you a direct question about your experience with 03RR CVs:
Your answer twice now to him is they are "people movers" without any statement about how many 03RRs CVs you have worked on. Ron's not wading in with Corey, he just wants you to substantiate where you get your information from the same you wanted of Corey. If it's first hand, say so. If it's as Ron says, by conjecture, then say it is. You asked Corey good direct questions regarding his knowledge and where he gets it and he clearly avoided those questions. Ron is asking the same of you and you're not faring much better. Just my observation from the sidelines. SD | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 36 Registered: 11-2002 |
"CVs are historically weak and after everything gets all nice and upgraded they are still there breaking." I believe he answered the question | ||||||
| Sabine Dawn (Sabine_dawn) New Member Username: Sabine_dawn Post Number: 13 Registered: 04-2003 |
I don't believe so. He was asked how many 03RR CVs he's worked on. Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. The correct answer is something like: 20 or 50 or zero. SD | ||||||
| Leslie N. Bright (Leslie) Senior Member Username: Leslie Post Number: 2149 Registered: 02-2002 |
No, Andy, that's not the one. I KNOW which one I'm thinking of, that went past 300.... But we shouldn't dredge THAT up.... -L | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 37 Registered: 11-2002 |
A CV is A CV - you can use better materials, innovative engineering you can even call them something else. The basic engineering is still the same. So its not a matter of if he worked on a RR CV or a Honda CV the engineering is still the same. Once you begin to move it away from its original purpose and design it will fail, no matter what you do to "improve it". Lift the RR and the CV angle changes resulting in more stress at all the joints, stress causes heat, heat causes failure. Now add the continuing force of the wrong angle and place 2500 to 3500 lbs of weight plus torque from the motor and additional stress from the ETC and you too will design a website asking for handouts to help repair your rover. So my point is Kyle could have NEVER looked at at the new RR and his opinion stands credible with me and ANYBODY who has a general mechanical sense. | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 668 Registered: 09-2002 |
Sabine, it goes like this: Kyle: "silver-lined butter-spreader knives suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "Have you ever tried? I bet you haven't even seen one!" Kyle: "I've tried a bunch of other butter-spreader knives, and they all suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "So, how many times did you try to cut the poly rope with a silver-lined butter-spreader knife?" Kyle: avoids the obvious answer. Sabine Dawn: "Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. The correct answer is something like: 20 or 50 or zero. " All names are fictitious and any resemblance to existing characters is purely coincidental. Peter | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 669 Registered: 09-2002 |
Ron L, you beat me | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 38 Registered: 11-2002 |
Sorry man.... next time i'll wait ;-) | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 119 Registered: 10-2002 |
I think the new H2 is crap. My mostly stock 98 Disco will wup ass on one off-road...... Dan | ||||||
| Corey Shuman (One_bad_rover) Member Username: One_bad_rover Post Number: 124 Registered: 09-2002 |
does no one believe in any innovations at all here?? It seems that people will always innovate and create bigger and better things, but not with the Disco? It seems that only 30 or so years ago the very idea that a computer would be used by the general public would have been viewed as ridiculous by anyone with knowledge of the industry, they were simply too big and they needed to be that big and expensive to work correctly..someone improved on that idea or we wouldnt all be hear now, which was basically my original concept in this thread was not to trash it before you tried it. Here is a little better explanation it goes like this: Kyle: "silver-lined butter-spreader knives suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "Have you tried the new re-designed ones, they have laser cut serations, I bet you havent even seen one" Kyle: "I've tried a bunch of other butter-spreader knives, and they all suck when it comes to cut the poly rope" Ron Brown: "But have you tried the new one with the laser serations?" Kyle: avoids the obvious answer, which is no. "They are all the same, and they all cut the same" Sabine Dawn: "Saying they are historically weak isn't an answer to that question. While it is a true statement, it's avoiding the question. Peter: "No one will ever innovate the butter knife, it cannot be improved upon" Ron L: "Yes, if you are going to cut you must use a blowtorch, that is the only way, knives are all obselete" (oh- and btw.. RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!) | ||||||
| Art Vigil (Colorover) Member Username: Colorover Post Number: 125 Registered: 02-2003 |
I think Daniel Covaciu has no....ah hell, nevermind. ~Art Vigil | ||||||
| Daniel Covaciu (Danielcovaciu) Member Username: Danielcovaciu Post Number: 120 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah Art, but at least I have those little raised silver Land Rover letters on my hood. That makes up for my lack of... ah hell, nevermind. Dan P.S. How about those H2's, they really suck ass. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 39 Registered: 11-2002 |
"Ron L: "Yes, if you are going to cut you must use a blowtorch, that is the only way, knives are all obsolete" (oh- and btw.. RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!)" Corey your a smart cookie, you know everything. You are the master and I think you need to be the head tech guy here on D Web. I promise that the next time I decide to endow you with my wisdom I will pull MY dick out of YOUR mouth. | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 741 Registered: 09-2002 |
BALLS? | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 674 Registered: 09-2002 |
Corey, Kyle asked you a few times about what exactly, in your opinion, makes a new Range Rover an off-road vehicle superior to the old RR and Discovery. Have you ever come up with anything? In case you have never seen a poly rope in your life, even serrated butter-spreader knives suck at cutting them. No, i haven't tried, but now i know who did. I suggest you at least retract your remark about Rovertym - if you still haven't sorted out people behind the company names, don't fuck around. peter | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 742 Registered: 09-2002 |
Yeah....Corey is Back. | ||||||
| Rob Davison (Nosivad_bor) Senior Member Username: Nosivad_bor Post Number: 278 Registered: 02-2003 |
corey.. man,, you just dont get it. many of us here HATE having a computer in the car and feel that it is a reliability downgrade! | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 45 Registered: 03-2003 |
"if you're going to respond, respond with something real and not your typical meaningless bullshit" "And I hate to sound so redundant but I'll say it again. Please respond. But respond with something real. By 'real', I mean: (1) Answer Kyle's questions. (2) Post your address. Anything else you come back with is just meaningless bullshit." Can't you follow the simplest instructions? Either post something real or shut the fuck up. Posting "you lost me as a customer" doesn't mean a damn thing. You never were an EE customer and you never will be. And your "you have mail" is also curious. What the hell does this mean? I have always believed that "you have mail" is the mark of a cheap fuck and/or all-talk-and-no-action BBS frequenter. Someone posts some stuff for sale and all of a sudden there is a rush of "you have mail" posts. Then, after 20 of these posts are posted, the seller posts "still for sale". I've sold a few things on the classified boards and "you have mail" means to me: "I'm not going to buy whatever you're selling". I've noticed that the real buyers don't post a damn thing and just say "I'll take it." BTW, I didn't get any email from you. You're such a dumbass you probably sent it to Rovertym or something. "RonL, thanks for taking the dick out of your mouth long enough to endow us with your wisdom!!" This is another classic. I think this is Eric N's favorite line. I guess you and he must come from the same place, where this line is actually a good put-down. "You lost me as a customer". "You have mail". "Get that dick out of your mouth". "I fucked your mom". Anyone see a pattern here among the moronic responses? All of these are so lame it's pathetic. Since it's fairly clear that you're not going to respond with anything real, please shut the fuck up. Go back into the gutter from where you came. | ||||||
| Roland Kutasi (Disco1) Member Username: Disco1 Post Number: 96 Registered: 10-2002 |
Yeah Rob I'm with you. I'm old enough to remember that there was a time when I could simply tune my own car and a lot of other people could also. The idea behind computers in vehicles is that eventually nearly everything will be controlled by the computer and the owner will not be able to effect repairs, so it will be a tow job to the dealer and big $$$$. | ||||||
| John Lee (Johnlee) Member Username: Johnlee Post Number: 46 Registered: 03-2003 |
Ron, Oh how the morons collect. "How many 03 RRs have you been in? Offroad? How many have you fixed? How many "weak CV joints" have you replaced?" I haven't been in any 03 Rangies offroad. The closest I have been to an 03 Rangie on the trail was during the first Fine Living shoot. Those are the pics I posted, the ones with the Rangie with a flat tire. I haven't replaced any 03 Rangie CV joints. What the hell does this have to do with anything? I never claimed I had wheeled in a 03 Rangie. I never claimed the 03 Rangie was not capable on the trail. I never claimed I fixed a CV joint on a 03 Rangie. I never even claimed the CV joints on the 03 Rangie were weak. Go back and read. All I said about the 03 Rangie was that it was certainly no match for Kyle's Disco. If you want to pull a Corey and think a stocker 03 Rangie can smoke Kyle's Disco, whatever. Also, your "How many 'weak CV joints" have you replaced?" is just as meaningless as Corey's responses. Your question might have more meaning if you added something like "How many 03 Rangie CV joints have you seen? Apparently you are not aware that the 03 Rangie's CV's are different from other CV's because (insert distinction here like "they are made of solid tritanium" or "they are twice the size of the other Rover CV's" or whatever)?" Unless you add something like that, your question is also meaningless. If there is something about the 03 Rangie's CV's that are different, then that would be something for you to thump your chest about. If not, then I don't think your point is well taken and I can't really say Kyle is disqualified from saying the 03 Rangie's drivetrain is weak because it has eight CV joints. | ||||||
| Phillip Perkinson (Rover4x4) Member Username: Rover4x4 Post Number: 190 Registered: 02-2003 |
man this is still going. | ||||||
| Kyle Van Tassel (Kyle) Moderator Username: Kyle Post Number: 253 Registered: 11-2002 |
Lets not forget CVs have those nice little rubber booties that everyone likes so much , as the only barrier between the grease in the CV and the shit that would love to destroy it . These are just generalities about CVs . Things that most people that have had any long term dealings with CVs know. Now I was just talking to Ho on the phone about this. THink about it for a moment. I think the dealer gets around 350 each for a Disco CV. Now that aint the latest and greatest RaRo gourmet shit and it doesnt include the axle and certainly doesnt come close to the price of the whole assembly. Now think about having 8 of those bastards under there. Now think about that lift kit you WERE gonna buy for it... Now how doing what it is you do Ron and get in that parts book and give us the over the counter on a 03 RaRo CV joint or Axle assembly.. Kyle "Blow me" | ||||||
| Peter Matusov (Pmatusov) Senior Member Username: Pmatusov Post Number: 678 Registered: 09-2002 |
that's classified, Kyle | ||||||
| Ron Brown (Ron) Senior Member Username: Ron Post Number: 322 Registered: 04-2001 |
"A CV is A CV" check out this link and see how you feel about the statement http://www.bcboffroad.com/images/101andD90CVjoints.jpeg A cv, like anything else can be engineered properly or not. Disco I cvs I think we can all agree are crap. 1in inners and the same guts they made minivan cvs out of (go buy a cv for an 89 caravan and see what I mean). Now what I am asking of Kyle is to admit he knows NOTHING about the 03 Range Rover first hand. He has no concept of what the build standards, materials, size of components, etc etc etc. He is already backing away talking about generalities of CVs. It is fine for him to render opinions, just wanted to know what kind of info he was using to base them on. Kyle is just spouting off about something he has no first hand experience about. This is really ironic because he always bitches when others do this. Is an 03 Range Rover like a discovery I. Hell no. Completely different vehicle. Whole new concept. You are not going to be throwing rovertym springs on an 03 range rover. You are pretty much tied to increases in tire sizes and some body protection. Personally if I do ever get one (when they are cheap and I have money again after law school) I would put some 18in Euro spec 03 RR wheels and some slightly larger tires (32s or so) and use it just like I use my disco now. Tow vehicle, mild off-roader, and daily driver. I am sure it would be fine, though probably the body will suffer (just like the discos). And John, the 03 RR cvs ARE better. The inners are larger, as are the cvs themselves, and they are made with a higher grade material. They have also engineered to allow a larger deflection angle (anyone who has seen the wheel drop when an 03 lifted by the subframe can see there is some decent wheel travel for IFS/IRS). Am I saying they are as strong as the 101 cvs in the pic above, no. What I am saying is that they are better than what you have in a disco I (or disco II for that matter). Yes they are being asked to work at more of an angle, but until someone slaps some of those 18in wheels and 33in Nitto 18in MTs on one we won't see how well the cvs really hold up, but you know what, it won't really matter because the weak links in the 03 RR drivetrain are the diffs, not the CVs. Ron PS I will be happy to post the price of an 03 RR CV. I will do so tomorrow. No prices are classified. You want a price call your dealer or roversnorth and they will give it to you. I am curious about the cvs, some things are substantially more on the 03 RR while somethings have been substantially less than earlier RR parts. | ||||||
| Matt Williams (Ltmatt007) New Member Username: Ltmatt007 Post Number: 37 Registered: 02-2003 |
Corkey, yes the heavy forces of the Army are a little slow to deploy world wide. The same can't be said for the 82d Airborne, 10th Mountian Div or the Ranger Batts. Paul, its too bad that the LR dealership you visited was so piss poor. I was using Land Rover Austin (TX) when I was out there and they were great. The level of butt kissing bordered on ridiculous. I now use LR North Point in Atlanta and they too are great. My service guy there (Mike Jones) is very cool. I usually spend an hour or so each visit just BS-ing with him and the techs. Next week I move to Savannah and will be using LR Jacksonville...So wish me luck--Matt | ||||||
| Brian Friend (Brianfriend) Senior Member Username: Brianfriend Post Number: 743 Registered: 09-2002 |
"we won't see how well the cvs really hold up, but you know what, it won't really matter because the weak links in the 03 RR drivetrain are the diffs, not the CVs." Ron, explainthis theory. | ||||||
| Ron L (Ronl) New Member Username: Ronl Post Number: 40 Registered: 11-2002 |
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